Hey, since when is it bad to want to kill Nazis? Last I heard that was generally encouraged. It’s the whole moral foundation that the first person shooter genre was based on.
I don’t know, I’m principally against the death penalty. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t lose sleep if a nazi is granted an early exit, and it’s of course fine to kill nazis in video games since it’s not real. Also, I do like the revolutionary energy of those stickers, I understand where they’re coming from (the goal is to make nazis afraid and I’m all in on that!). Still, they advocate for stuff outside of my morality. I’m fine removing power from nazis, by force if necessary (usually is because they’re assholes who don’t give a crap about the social contract) but I don’t see killing anyone (or anything) as something to be desired, I can only agree with it when it’s a self-defense/survival type scenario. I guess one exception would be if it’s someone like Putin: well guarded, very difficult to apprehend, and kills people by the day for every day he’s not stopped, so it kind of makes it a self-defense/survival thing even if it would have to be planned in advance.
Murder sucks, but sometimes letting them continue is worse. If they remove other options for justice then justice must be served in whatever form is left.
There’s always more options. However, there needs to be a point where you don’t let them keep going. Sure, we could have continued to negotiate with Hitler instead of going to war. At some point you have to accept that the thing you’ve been trying to avoid is the best option left.
To a lot people, the analogy is that the dangerous criminal with a gun has already broken in and is aiming the gun at them, they’re in survival mode, and are not looking for non-violent solutions. I get your perspective, just trying to show you why so many are saying to “shoot the Nazis”.
I think for a lot of people, they’d normally be right there with you, and as you mentioned with self defense, the more people are pushed into survival-mode against someone hell-bent on destroying you, it starts to feel like destroying Nazis is the moral thing to do. Are you familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance? If you tolerate intolerance, it will take over society, so one could argue you must never tolerate intolerance. With Nazis being the real world embodiment of this paradox, extending that reasoning, the morally responsible thing to do is to destroy Nazis any time and place they spring up.
You say “destroy” but you mean murder. That’s not okay. I know the Paradox of Tolerance, and it doesn’t say to jump to straight-up murder. That should never be the first thought, it should be the worst case scenario.
No offense, but they would murder you without a second thought, without remorse, and without any shame whatsoever. They would be banking on getting a pardon for it, too. It happened to the Jan 6 traitors, it happened to the Nisour Square Massacre bastards, Ross Ulbricht got a pardon even though he literally tried to hire a hitman to kill two federal agents (those same feds were also thieves and corrupt and got busted for their crap). This shit isn’t cool, but they treat it like it is.
The whole cartoon hero/villain dynamic of ‘I am not like you, I will not do that’ should only happen AFTER they are thoroughly defeated and no longer capable of harming you, then you can put them up on trial and show them no mercy in the court room.
The situation with the Gaza genocide and the extreme corruption at higher levels completely altered my view of the death penalty. I used to be 100% against the death penalty, but now I am only against it for common criminals and common crimes. People like Ted Cruz and the BTK killer (a mass shooter and serial killer respectively) should rot in prison for the rest of their lives, but war criminals like Netenyahu and IDF foot soldiers who commit war crimes need to be executed with all haste and minimal appeals. Ditto for ‘businessmen’ like Musk and Zuckerberg who thrive on fucking people’s lives over. This goes for high level politicians like Trump and Duterte (who was recently arrested).
Simply put, let the punishment match the scale of the crime. Some armed robber should not receive a harsher sentence for robbing and killing a shop owner than a multinational corporate CEO whose decisions involved crashing entirely economies just so he can spite someone online.
Ironic that he referenced Carnegie. Carnegie and Rockefeller were so terrified of the public that Rockefeller refused to leave his mansion for years at a time, and Carnegie fled to England, where he publicly supported Unions, but privately told Frick to squash the strikers. That blew up in his face, and he had to capitulate to all the demands the workers had.
There was such a real feeling for revolution in those days before fascism came to be and before WW1 had governments pass laws to utterly crush so many leftist movements while boosting the first generation of fascists.
Better have him taken out back and shot, right? 🙄
I bet it is this sticker, lol
I think it was this one which also got banned from Reddit:
Fuck Reddit.
Oh, I like that one! Direct and to the point.
Hey, since when is it bad to want to kill Nazis? Last I heard that was generally encouraged. It’s the whole moral foundation that the first person shooter genre was based on.
I don’t know, I’m principally against the death penalty. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t lose sleep if a nazi is granted an early exit, and it’s of course fine to kill nazis in video games since it’s not real. Also, I do like the revolutionary energy of those stickers, I understand where they’re coming from (the goal is to make nazis afraid and I’m all in on that!). Still, they advocate for stuff outside of my morality. I’m fine removing power from nazis, by force if necessary (usually is because they’re assholes who don’t give a crap about the social contract) but I don’t see killing anyone (or anything) as something to be desired, I can only agree with it when it’s a self-defense/survival type scenario. I guess one exception would be if it’s someone like Putin: well guarded, very difficult to apprehend, and kills people by the day for every day he’s not stopped, so it kind of makes it a self-defense/survival thing even if it would have to be planned in advance.
Edit: jfc… lefties stop fedposting challenge, impossible
The only way to make Nazis afraid again is to warn them, in their own language: violence.
That I completely agree with!
Murder sucks, but sometimes letting them continue is worse. If they remove other options for justice then justice must be served in whatever form is left.
You can’t tell me the only form of resistance left right now is murder…
There’s always more options. However, there needs to be a point where you don’t let them keep going. Sure, we could have continued to negotiate with Hitler instead of going to war. At some point you have to accept that the thing you’ve been trying to avoid is the best option left.
To a lot people, the analogy is that the dangerous criminal with a gun has already broken in and is aiming the gun at them, they’re in survival mode, and are not looking for non-violent solutions. I get your perspective, just trying to show you why so many are saying to “shoot the Nazis”.
I think for a lot of people, they’d normally be right there with you, and as you mentioned with self defense, the more people are pushed into survival-mode against someone hell-bent on destroying you, it starts to feel like destroying Nazis is the moral thing to do. Are you familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance? If you tolerate intolerance, it will take over society, so one could argue you must never tolerate intolerance. With Nazis being the real world embodiment of this paradox, extending that reasoning, the morally responsible thing to do is to destroy Nazis any time and place they spring up.
You say “destroy” but you mean murder. That’s not okay. I know the Paradox of Tolerance, and it doesn’t say to jump to straight-up murder. That should never be the first thought, it should be the worst case scenario.
No offense, but they would murder you without a second thought, without remorse, and without any shame whatsoever. They would be banking on getting a pardon for it, too. It happened to the Jan 6 traitors, it happened to the Nisour Square Massacre bastards, Ross Ulbricht got a pardon even though he literally tried to hire a hitman to kill two federal agents (those same feds were also thieves and corrupt and got busted for their crap). This shit isn’t cool, but they treat it like it is.
The whole cartoon hero/villain dynamic of ‘I am not like you, I will not do that’ should only happen AFTER they are thoroughly defeated and no longer capable of harming you, then you can put them up on trial and show them no mercy in the court room.
The situation with the Gaza genocide and the extreme corruption at higher levels completely altered my view of the death penalty. I used to be 100% against the death penalty, but now I am only against it for common criminals and common crimes. People like Ted Cruz and the BTK killer (a mass shooter and serial killer respectively) should rot in prison for the rest of their lives, but war criminals like Netenyahu and IDF foot soldiers who commit war crimes need to be executed with all haste and minimal appeals. Ditto for ‘businessmen’ like Musk and Zuckerberg who thrive on fucking people’s lives over. This goes for high level politicians like Trump and Duterte (who was recently arrested).
Simply put, let the punishment match the scale of the crime. Some armed robber should not receive a harsher sentence for robbing and killing a shop owner than a multinational corporate CEO whose decisions involved crashing entirely economies just so he can spite someone online.
I think you missed the point. I mean Justifiable homicide. That’s exactly how grave the threat here is, and not just for minorities.
e: for the record, i am the most non-violent person i know. I won’t kill a fly, even flies deserve to live. I have no such feelings towards Nazis
😂MaNDA
https://youtu.be/aP5pt1bvutQ
Ironic that he referenced Carnegie. Carnegie and Rockefeller were so terrified of the public that Rockefeller refused to leave his mansion for years at a time, and Carnegie fled to England, where he publicly supported Unions, but privately told Frick to squash the strikers. That blew up in his face, and he had to capitulate to all the demands the workers had.
There was such a real feeling for revolution in those days before fascism came to be and before WW1 had governments pass laws to utterly crush so many leftist movements while boosting the first generation of fascists.