Best thing that can happen is the Heritage Foundation, and all members for the last 25 years, get labeled as domestic terrorists and sent to an El Salvadorian prison.
Their good book still has the eye for an eye clause, letās use it. Thoughts and prayers and such.
Besides, the only way to ensure tolerance is not to tolerate intolerance.
for anyone whoās curious, hereās a list of businesses i know to be associated with the heritage foundation:
- chik-fil-a
- tractor supply
- hobby lobby
- rural king
- exxonmobile
- anheiser-coors
Yeah the Coors family is deep in the shit.
The source watch page for State Policy Network donors is crazy, and not even that up to date, so Iām sure probably way more by now. Of course the Coors family is included:
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SPN_Funding
But public documents discovered by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) reveal that SPN is largely funded by global corporations ā such as Reynolds American, Altria, Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon, GlaxoSmithKline, Kraft Foods, Express Scripts, Comcast, Time Warner, and the Koch- and Tea Party-connected DCI Group lobbying and PR firm ā that stand to benefit from SPNās agenda, as well as out-of-state special interests like the billionaire Koch brothers, the Waltons, the Bradley Foundation, the Roe Foundation of SPNās founder, and the Coors family ā who are underwriting an extreme legislative agenda that undermines the rights of Americans. Corporations like Facebook and the for-profit online education company K12 Inc., as well as the e-cigarette company NJOY (a new member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)), also fund SPN, as demonstrated by its most recent annual meeting.
Including the folks who designed the ACA?
Can you really credit them when they disavow it?
āDonāt Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandateā:
- The Heritage Foundation and Stuart M. Butler oppose the individual mandate in ObamaCare.
- The idea that the individual mandate originated from the conservative Heritage Foundation is a misconception.
- While Heritage supported a version of the health insurance mandate in the 1990s, it differed significantly from the ObamaCare mandate.
Name one other statement from the Heritage Foundation that you believe.
As much as I see Obama as an over hyped neoliberal failure, I still take his word over the Heritage Foundationās.
JFC Obamaās point was they tried to create a policy that would still appease the Republican party ideals, which were created by the Heritage Foundation. Not that the Heritage Foundation helped create the ACA.
So basically, they mistakenly thought the other side would see it as a compromise. That was a mistake bc if you havenāt noticed you really shouldnāt give these fuckers an inch bc they will always take a mile if they can.
The ACA is imperfect, but there is no question it has improved healthcare in this country. If you disagree with that, Iām just going to assume what I already suspect, which is that youāre a troll trying to push some bullshit narrative.
I grew up in the deep south, left for college around the time ACA was passed and I was also losing my parents health insurance. I have been volunteering in a free clinic in the deep south for several years now.
Iāll try to make this as simple as I possibly can. The Heritage Foundation has been bending over backwards to end the ACA since it was first created bc they DO NOT BELIEVE HEALTHCARE IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY ACCESS TO IF YOU CANāT AFFORD IT.
In the last month in particular, I have seen Medicaid programs become completely dismantled at a local level in preparation for what Republicans in Washington have been planning to do the whole fucking time.
Do not come at me with some āall politicians are the same, there is no gray area/no such thing as just voting in your best interest/ if itās not a perfect solution itās a problem,ā bullshit, because I will just assume youāre supporting the people that are currently in power dismantling our imperfect democracy to officially replace with an oligarchy.
Why shouldnāt they, right? It was already happening some times in some parts of the country, so why fight it? Certainly donāt bother to be rational and vote in your own self interest when you have the chance. Just sit back and let the world burn until it finally consumes you.
The ACA is imperfect, but there is no question it has improved healthcare in this country. If you disagree with that, Iām just going to assume what I already suspect,
Well, I do disagree, even at the risk of being put in the little box you made for me. Not that I donāt think it improved a lot of things about healthcare in this country, because it certainly did that. However, we are talking about the biggest sector of the biggest economy in the history of the world, so I think people should be a little more open to the idea that the obvious impacts from the brochure donāt exactly encompass the total impact.
The downstream impacts of pumping tons of federal funds to private insurance companies through the mandate and subsidies shouldnāt be ignored. The value proposition for health insurance companies changed dramatically, as did the proposition for healthcare providers. All that cash caught Wall Streetās attention. Health insurance and hospitals used to be mostly non-profit, now they are dominated by a handful of large corporations that keep consolidating. The profit motive has led to worse outcomes for patients who often dread the paperwork more than the illness. Cost controls in the ACA were weak to the point of being almost non-existent, Medical bankruptcies continued to grow after the ACA at about the same rate as before, and the gap between what Americans pay and what everyone else pays for healthcare continued to grow as well.
My biggest objection is about why a right wing think tank would be proposing healthcare reforms at all. It wasnāt because they used to care about healthcare for working class Americans and then stopped. It was because there was a rising discontent over the state of healthcare. They saw some kind of healthcare reform as inevitable, and wanted to push a plan that would do the least possible for workers, but would kill momentum for anything better. No doubt the ACA did a lot more good than they would have ever wanted, but it succeeded brilliantly in killing the momentum for more reform. Ever since the ACA was passed, we have only gone backwards. It led the movement for a better healthcare system down a dead end, and establishment Democrats, including Obama, have done everything they can to prevent any momentum for a better approach.
Do not come at me with some āall politicians are the same
Oh fuck, this chestnut again. When did I come at you with that, or anything like it? I know full well that the average Republican is basically Hitler. I also know full well that weak as hell Democrats have been complete failures for over 50 years, allowing the Hitlerites in the Republican party to completely dominate the US government. That right there is the worst impact of the ACA. Itās just one more example of Democrats failing to do anything that might have turned the tide of rising fascism.
This chestnut again? How often do you do/say this?
The problem is not that you critiqued the ACA, the problem is youāre clearly trying to spread disinformation and argue that Obama directly worked with the Heritage Foundation to create the ACAā¦
Most of the giant hospital monopolies actually have nonprofit status. I have no idea why TF we allow that while not enforcing more rules on hospitals in return for that status? There are plenty of things I would change, starting with Medicaid for all, having caps on CEO/administrative salaries, and allowing doctors accepting medicaid fewer restrictions on treatment coverage. Still, I donāt try to pretend that the parts I donāt like are due to the Heritage Foundation being directly involved in any of it. I blame people trying too hard to compromise, but also know they did have to appease the Supreme Court, so I guess more I blame most people for trying to make things like healthcare so fucking politicized.
550,000 medical bankruptcies each year, most by people with health insurance. 45,000 unnecessary deaths each year for lack of medical insurance. When the system works as designed, Americans still pay twice what other countries do for similar levels of care. A health insurance CEO was gunned down on the street and 69% of Americans put the blame on the insurance company, and 17% find the killing āacceptableā. None of this is disinformation, and all of it is indefensible. Your description of it as āimperfectā is an obscenity.
Thatās the state of the current system and, as I pointed out, the Democratic establishment has done everything in their power to sideline any calls to seriously reform it.
How often do you do/say this?
I donāt know. How often do you create straw men to argue with? Itās neigh impossible to criticize the Democratic establishment for anything without getting the ābOtH sIdEsā nonsense, no matter how far from it the argument actually is. Itās what comes from having a Democratic party that canāt credibly stand on itās own and must always fall back to āat least weāre not Republicans.ā
I already said that āthe average Republican is basically Hitlerā, so I donāt know why you feel the need to continue telling me how bad they are and what evil things they try to do. Still, it makes me wonder how far you think Obama would have had to compromise to get a single Republican to vote for the ACA. At the very least, Obama is guilty of insane levels of political incompetence. What kind of President loses a Supreme Court seat and barely bothers to fight for it? We are seeing now how much power a President can have if they choose to exercise it. Obama should have just put Garland on the court and challenged Congress to remove him. Congress gets to advise and consent, not sit on a nomination for over a year because they donāt want to do their jobs. Instead, it took until the last year of Bidenās presidency for the Democrats to stop pretending that Republicans were acting in good faith.
I blame most people for trying to make things like healthcare so fucking politicized.
Now, you suddenly sound like a Republican, or at the very least a clueless establishment Democrat. The word āpoliticizedā is like the word āwizardā, itās a legitimate word referring to a nonsensical concept. Nothing can be politicized because everything is already political. This is language Republicans use to make establishment Democrats run from the field of battle, and it works every single time.
