So let me start off by saying that I recognize that there was initially a genuine problem with people who didn’t want NSFW content being exposed to it.
Some of this was due to the fact that not all content was being correctly flagged as NSFW, and some of it was because a lot of users didn’t realize that individual users can choose to completely block an entire instance - which is not only a very easy and fast solution, but also does not require an all-or-nothing approach of defederating from NSFW instances.
A number of changes were made, but some of those lingering changes have meant that people who do want to see NSFW content are not because:
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Even having subscribed to several NSFW subs, they are effectively completely missing from my feed.
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Most NSFW thumbnails are blurred.
Both of these behaviors should not be occurring if a user has chosen in their settings to NOT hide NSFW content.
However, I will also say that the blurred state is something that deserves its own user setting (i.e. so that a user can choose to NOT hide NSFW, but still want them blurred or not) - preferably with the granularity to set it for various sub-types of NSFW (e.g. porn, gore, etc…).
I don’t think it went too far. Not exposing people accidentally to NSFW content takes priority over giving people a better experience consuming NSFW content. If you want to consume NSFW content head over to an instance that focuses on NSFW content. For example, lemmynsfw.com will fulfill all your NSFW needs.
That’s the advantage of the fediverse, you can have different instances focusing on different types of content. And having the main sites of kbin.social or lemmy.world focus on Non-NSFW content will make the entire fediverse easier to advertise to the public.
Should be user’s choice. Have it enabled by default, but with a possibility to turn it off.
Nope. Content is mirrored and hosted locally, so it’s the admin’s choice and responsibility.
Moreover, listening to choruses of “individual choice” are how you end up providing a server for people who feel no responsibility to their neighbours and communities. Structural issues require more than “Fuck you, I can do what I want.”
You can choose to use a different instsnce if you don’t like what the admin’s doing. Or you can start your own. That’s how you can do what you want.
Edit: I do love the downvotes from the “I can do what to want” crowd, knowing that they’re also the “my property, my rules” crowd. Except when they’re the ones using someone else’s shit, of course.
It’s not a coherent ideology.
I downvoted you because I think your argument is off the mark, not because I’m an “individual choice” or “I can do what I want” nutjob. I believe is strong moderation.
listening to choruses of “individual choice” are how you end up providing a server for people who feel no responsibility to their neighbours and communities
Allowing a setting to not blur photos will not destory communities. It seems like most people in this thread who would like a setting for this agree that blurring NSFW photos should be the default because that is what is best for the community. Asking for a setting to suit their own tastes is perfectly reasonable. Even within a community, people can have individual needs or tastes and they should be accommodated when reasonable.
You can choose to use a different instsnce if you don’t like what the admin’s doing
They’re not asking that all NSFW photos be shown for everybody. They’re asking that they be allowed to customize their own experience without affecting anybody else. Telling them to fuck off is pretty exclusive and non-community oriented behavior.
I don’t get your reasoning. There’s no downside to letting users choose.
And I find the ‘love it or leave it’ approach distasteful.
I generally like what the admin is doing, in large part because he listens to user feedback, which I was providing.
Of course you’re entitled to your opinion.edit: wait it does makes sense in a way to avoid hosting illegal content, if the instance doesn’t have the manpower to moderate effectively. nevermind. still think those issues should be discussed collectively.
You should become accustomed to having multiple accounts, ones for different instances, because this is the fediverse and essentially just semi-interlinked forums. If you want forum specific content that is generally considered spicy, go to that forum directly rather than complain that every other forum not handle your need for spicy content in an effective way for all parties.
This isnt some faceless megacorp. You are so used to one source for all your content due to reddit, but you should not expect one instance to provide you with all your desired content. Can you imagine how many man hours need to be put into effectively handling spicy content, across all instances? Or, you can just go to the spicy content forums.
Yes, there is a need for better handling multiple accounts seamlessly, its definitely under development in several apps. In the meantime it’s just something to deal with.
If you want forum specific content that is generally considered spicy, go to that forum directly rather than complain that every other forum not handle your need for spicy content in an effective way for all parties.
This has nothing to do with complaining about how other forums handle this.
This is about how kbin handles it, and kbin is designed to incorporate multiple forums from multiple instances. In other words, we’re talking about how kbin should be able to do what it’s designed to do even better.
The downside is investing tons of time making and testing code that ultimately accomplishes nothing that wouldn’t also be achieved by making your own instance.
If your solution is to go to a different website instead of subscribing from here and having it served to me here, then what is the point of federation? (Just to clarify I totally understand why people wouldn’t want to be served nsfw when they didn’t opt into it and I don’t mind a bit of an overcorrection for the meantime. I know kbin blew up fast and this can be an expected growing pain that will eventually be worked out)
Federation doesn’t mean everything. Each server is allowed to choose how they want to federate, who they want to federate with, and what features they want to support for their users. The entire point is to make it easier to migrate servers, not that servers are discouraged from running how they want.
If you want nsfw primarily, then join a server that values that. They will choose to federate with other nsfw servers. They will choose to include better features for nsfw content. Complaining about the lack of nsfw features here is like complaining about the lack of English federation on a French server.
You aren’t paying for anything here. You don’t get to dictate how a server is run nor what the developers focus on as far as features. Disagreement is fine but the power you hold is the ability to change servers.
To my knowledge, currently kbin.social federates with all instances. Therefore on this instance kbin.social, where I have opted in to nsfw, I would like nsfw to organically show up on my All. If it isn’t showing up because no one is making any then that is fine, if it is being made and isn’t showing up despite me having opted in that is not fine and I will patiently wait until it is fixed. And just for the record, I have and would encourage everyone else to buy Ernest a coffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin
I’ve bought a coffee as well.
As to federation, no Kbin hasn’t really taken any stances yet, but that doesn’t mean they won’t in the future. But feature wise, Kbin is so new that nsfw specific features could be a long way off. I doubt even @ernest knows as I’m sure his life has been thrown a real curveball this month. If we’re still here in a couple years and there’s no extra nsfw features, then it’s reasonable to ask what’s up. Right now though? There’s so many missing features that you couldn’t realistically even list them all.
Hey, thanks :) Yes, that is a known issue. First, I need to address the moderation tools and sensitive content issue for sure. I’m actually working on it right now. But there are so many exciting new things from contributors right now that it’s not easy ;)
The most important thing is that we have 331 issues recorded. Now it’s just a matter of time :D
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues
On most platforms the problem with nsfw is that it upsets advertisers. If we dont have to appease them, what is the problem here? I dont think we should automatically validate a puritanical approach here.
Personally, I think NSFW stuff is an important part of a community, but I also recognize that allowing a community to be overrun with NSFW stuff usually makes it into a NSFW community, not simply a community that allows NSFW stuff. Blurred thumbnails seem to me a good compromise.
There is no reason why blurred thumbnails can’t easily be made into a user-selectable feature. That makes everyone happy.
It’s not just advertisers. It’s also the payment processing companies, the bible-thumping firebrands, etc. Plus, there’s laws to consider. If every NSFW pic isn’t positively identified as being of a legal adult who is legally competent and legally licensed to share that content, then you have to assume that it’s all minors and revenge. If you aren’t legally verifying that every possible user or viewer who can see that comment is also a legal adult, you must assume that your content is being displayed to children. When you have those assumptions in mind (which are also the government’s assumptions btw), you absolutely can’t have that on your server or your user’s computers. If there’s any hope of this getting to a point of profit without fully deanonymizing every poster and every user, porn is poison.
Yeah I would like to not hide NSFW content but I would also like to blur it by default.
And if it’s a user setting, which is my preference, then everyone can decide for themselves whether or not it’s enabled.
