I think a material difference between Iraq (v2 anyway) and Ukraine is that they can keep doing the “well Russia was the aggressor” thing indefinitely even if the reality is more complicated.
also yes obviously some libs are still stubborn about Iraq, the worst ones, but for the most part its generally agreed that the Iraq War was a bad thing.
Most MLs I have spoken to think revolutionairy defeatism absolutely applies to Russia and praise activists fighting the draft there.
Russia may be a lesser evil on the geopolitical stage but treating them as purely an antiimperialist force worth uncritically supporting to the point where you actually take up arms for their revanchist activities (and yes, part of the motive for Russia’s actions is revanchism, NATO encirclement and Donbass also factor in, but denying the revanchism is foolish).
Well I disagree with most western MLs and instead agree with DPRK, China, Cuba and other AES ML nations who are allied with Russia
Russia has won my trust after Syria and Belarus, they have consistently acted in an anti-imperialist manner for many conflicts now. Why they are acting in this manner is not relevant, only that they are. China, DPRK, Cuba all agree with me
Geopoltiically aligning with Russia is different from being a Russian citizen living in Russia. Do you condemn Russians fighting being drafted into a war they don’t want to participate in?
Kim Jong Un
Do you believe you and other westerners understand anti-imperialism and what needs to be done for the victory of socialism more than the official position of the most advanced socialist nation on Earth that is basically defined by its anti-imperialist stance and almost always materially supporting the correct side of any conflict (even when westerners cry)?
Again, AES countries aligning with Russia isn’t the same as a Russian citizen living in Russia.
Read comrade KJU’s comment one hundred times as punishment for your chauvinism
I read it. I agree with the DPRK aligning with Russia (not that they can have much influence there). I’m still talking about Russian citizens living in Russia, not the leaders of AES countries.
You cant just throw around terms like “westener” and “chauvanism” because they make you feel right lol.
So you think KJU is cynically lying and that the DPRK actually doesn’t support anti-imperialism?
When my views align with AES and your views align with western leftists, yes I can and I will
Yeah, disengage.
I believe it’s a fight for Russia’s continued existence and is as necessary as the great patriotic war. Russians should fight if they don’t want the US to loot their corpses again
Thinking slavery is good doesnt seem very leftist to me but ok. Sounds like you’ve forgotten the critical in critical support. Putin isnt a anti-imperialist ideologue, and modern Russia isnt an anti-imperialist force by nature, it just happens that Russias goals align with antiimperialism right now.
Also, to respond to a previous point, bourgeoise countries shouldn’t “earn your trust”, that is not material analysis.
Did the USSR “enslave” the conscripts to the red army? Or maybe existential war is a valid reason to take certain measures?
Again, ideologues and ideology are not relevant. Only outcomes. Russia is fighting for its survival against imperialists. That means they should not be sabotaged by anyone who considers themselves an anti-imperialist. Imperialism is the primary contradiction. Imperialism is the primary contradiction. Imperialism is the primary contradiction. Have you internalized this yet?
You know what? Disengage. Badgering me with repeated slogans that I already believe is just talking down so I’m out.
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