Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).
It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.
My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you’re not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.
I’ve linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325
Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.
https://lemmy.world/post/747912
https://lemmy.world/post/577526
Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.
Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.
TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.
EDIT: To clarify, this isn’t the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.
EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.
“Remember, every voice matters and your contribution can make a difference. We believe that through open dialogue, mutual respect, and a shared commitment to discovery, we can foster a community that embodies the democratic spirit of the Agora in our modern world.”
Closing off other instances is the exact opposite of the statement above.
Intelligent and brave people are willing to hear all sides to an argument. Only weak cowardly people run away from people with different views.
Nah that’s just shitty bait.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
It’s that simple. These people aren’t rational or looking to argue in good faith, they are hateful fools looking to destroy and undermine a tolerant society. This isn’t about “all sides of the argument”, that’s just a shitty paeudoargument to give Nazis a voice they don’t deserve.
Here is something important that I learned about discussions/arguments/debates though.
If you are presented with (real, verifiable) facts that conflict with what you hold to be true, will you change your stance? Does your stance change and grow as new facts are acquired or does your view stay stagnant?
If the person you are speaking with will not or does not agree to this basic idea, then there is no amount of productive debate to be had and you are generally only wasting your time.
If someone comes in with scientific papers and the other with think tank articles, these two things are not the same.
It’s chess with pigeons.
I agree when it comes to whether or not their opinions are wrongthink. However, the fact that the place is a bot swarm is a good reason to temporarily defederate. Once they fix the bot issue, refederate IMO.