Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.
Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️
edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments
I’m more inclined to say it’s a mutually beneficial relationship in which the US overlooks Israeli influence (and control) in US politics because of the benefits it gains from Israel. The US could at any time reverse this, by removing its support for Israel, but the issue with this argument is that the US literally never will do this because of both the benefits of Israel to the US in the middle east and the influence(and control) within US politics.
It’s an entanglement. A tangled web of connections that can not be unentangled. They simultaneously control each other and because they will never disentangle they will never cease to simultaneously be controlled by and control the other.
I do think it’s strongly flawed to say the US simple controls Israel by its ability to step back from support though, it’s not a card that can or will ever be used so it functionally does not exist.
Another good, nuanced take that captures why I didn’t like the original post.
the OP is a clumsy attempt to clarify the boundaries of discussion on the site to conform to the comfort of selected individuals. All these nuanced takes are at cross purposes with that. Irrelevant at best because the decision has been made and input not required.
I don’t think the admins are against input. If they were I wouldn’t even be allowed to say this.
What they do from time to time is act clumsy in laying down their boundaries. They’re absolutely right to say it is totally unacceptable to make the far right argument of Israel controlling da wurld. Which is really all that they are saying with this post. The issue is that they get this across in a way that implies there is a problem in the wider userbase’s nuanced takes, which there almost always is not, and when this is taken the wrong way people negatively react because they do not want a chilling effect on debate about the nuanced entanglements.