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That Time I Posted Myself Out Of a Job
cohost.orgThe year was 2019, the place San Diego. I was attending KubeCon on behalf of my then-employer, VMware. Kubecon is the Kubernetes Conference; If you don’t know what Kubernetes is don’t worry about it. It’s just a computers.
I tended to tweet a lot at conferences, as was the style at the time. Any particularly interesting talks I’d live-tweet, and generally I took a lot of photos around the event.
Screenshot from my twitter: Extremely hype for Ian Coldwater's keynote! Talking about pentesting Kubernetes [https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/e7bc2314-0432-41c8-81c1-d07c2465e795/pentesting.png?width=337&height=415&fit=crop&auto=webp&dpr=2] I don’t remember this talk but Ian is always incredible.
Most of the tweets were pretty neutral, but some were a little more pointed.
"When we say walmart, the first thing that comes to mind is scale" I guess if forcing workers onto foodstamps and brutally repressing unions counts as scaling #KubeCon [https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/081190db-eed6-4061-9bc5-2c4dd2fbcd73/walmartscale.png] Walmart is sort of like if they made Amazon in real life
"No Tech For ICE" written in Legos on a wall [https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/ee8e399a-237a-4da7-a520-38330d706b60/notechforice.png] Trans rights
INCITING INCIDENT
At 8:08 AM on November 21st, 2019, I posted the following tweets:
quote tweeting "If kubernetes is good enough for DoD weapon systems, it's definitely good enough for your business" with "Fuck you" [https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/2b3f2974-5c38-4caf-9926-b6d428e3d74f/pasted%20image%200.png] I don’t even usually swear much And follewed it up with Thanks for this @NichChaillan, I'd shake your hand but y'know, blood never washes off [https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/2dd68775-45c5-467f-8ef2-384af9b34989/bloodwashesoff.png] Anger does not really become me, but boy was I mad.
I think absolutely nothing of this. It was a tweet-heavy day! My thumbs were sore at the end of it!
But the next day, right before my flight home, I get a DM from a helpful colleague:
I saw your reply to Nic Chaillan's tweet earlier. It was pretty hilarious. However, Nic got miffed and complained to VMWARE federal about it. I don't think they are going to do anything about it, but I just wanted to warn you, just in case [https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/c8ab3389-fd41-46b9-bf3d-5ffc81fbabfc/vmwarefederal.png] I’m sure this is fine
THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
And then after I landed, who should slide into my DMs but a VMware Vice President, my grand boss of a large number of levels, requested a quick chat with him and an HR representative.
Being as I’m not an idiot, I elect to bring a witness of my own (@lizthegrey ). She slightly livetweeted that conversation until VP VMware tells her to stop. The two VMwares mention the social media guidelines. I hadn’t seen them, but they contain gems like “Avoid topics involving age, sex, race, religion, ethnicity, politics or disabilities.”
I’ll get right on that.
On the 24th, my first normal day back at work, I got another meeting request from Vice President VMware. Having learned their lesson they tell me not to bring in external witnesses. I instead invited a colleague of mine to be my witness.
We talked a little more about the social media guidelines, and I reiterated the impossibility of complying with how the guidelines were written. I mentioned I’d be willing to help improve them, and the guy seemed to be pretty happy with that. A few hours later I got an email from HR saying they didn’t need any more information from them.
At this point I’m feeling pretty good! I got chastised but mostly I won an opportunity to help improve some social media guidelines! That seemed like a pretty great outcome to me.
A LESS THAN GREAT OUTCOME
A week or so later, though, I’m pulled into another meeting with HR, and they present me with a “written warning,” and I have to sign a bunch of stuff saying I agreed to follow a bunch of documents I was already supposed to sign.
I pointed out the social media guidelines were basically impossible to follow, and they agreed to strike them.
At this point I’d seen the writing on the wall and I’d retained a labour lawyer. He and I look over the written warning they want me to sign, and we agree I’m basically not giving anything up. So I came back and signed the document, less the provisions I didn’t think I could follow if I tried
Surprise, though! Two days later Vice President VMware once again DMs me (lol) to summon me for a before-working-hours meeting. In it, they inform me they will be “accepting my resignation.”
The reason given for my termination in the meeting is explicitly my refusal to agree to the social media guidelines, the same ones their own VP agreed I could not follow.
I say something to this effect, ask if this is really how this is going down, and when they confirm it is, I hang up. Good thing I already have a lawyer on retainer.
IT IS TIME FOR SOME JURISPRUDENCE MY DUDES
Thing was, I’d joined VMware via an acquisition, which meant I had a pretty generous retention package. Bunch of stock and the like. The severance agreement obviously didn’t include any of that.
Now, talking about political conditions of work is sometimes protected speech. So together with my lawyer and one from the NLRB, I wrote up a very detailed complaint (which has been very helpful for making this chost honestly).
Unfortunately we were still in the Trump administration, and even though it was the lame duck period his appointees still controlled the NLRB. We had very little leverage and not much room to negotiate. They made a big deal of not giving me a nondisclosure clause, but there was still a nondisparagement clause. Given the impossibility of telling this story in a way that makes VMware look anything but terrible, those clauses amounted to the same thing.
My excellent lawyer almost doubled my cash payout but the non disparagement clause stayed. I decided being able to tell this ridiculous story wasn’t worth giving up $40k, so I took the offer and only groused about this dude in private.
UNTIL NOW
Recently, there was news about an NLRB decision [https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/board-rules-that-employers-may-not-offer-severance-agreements-requiring] that specifically impacted non disparagement clauses! And after consulting with my lawyer from this case, we agree it’s highly unlikely VMware will bring charges against me now, and even if they did it’s unlikely they’d prevail. So now I am once again free to Post.
Your situation may be different, this is not legal advice
SO WHY’D THIS HAPPEN
My lawyer went through great pains to explain that I could in theory, still be liable for libel against Mr Air Force. So legally Speaking, I don’t know for sure that Nic Chaillan, then a US Government employee, pressured a private company to fire a single employee because she tweeted at him and hurt his feelings.
What I do know is that at least one firm has filed a complaint against him [https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/oxebridge-files-ethics-complaint-against-usaf-chief-software-officer/] alleging he did exactly that to other parties, threatening to sic an “army of lawyers” on someone who was mean to him online. Multiple reports corroborate this.
He is also known to be a very bad poster [https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/op-ed-usafs-chaillan-knausenberger-must-resign-over-suspected-ethics-violations/] (see the “Misuse of Position” section). And when he publicly resigned [https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/breaking-usaf-cso-nicolas-chaillan-resigns/] in 2021 he worried about how in the future “China has the drastic advantage of population over the U.S.”
I invite you to draw your own conclusions about this guy.
[ comments | sourced from HackerNews ]
On one hand, those posts were way out of line as a professional representative of a company talking to one of their employer’s clients.
On the other hand, fuck Nic Chiallan for repeatedly threatening legitimate critics of the US Government with “DoD Lawyers” for using their protected first amendment rights. That’s actual government tyranny, or at least a pathetic attempt at such.
Yep, Challan is an absolute POS but that isn’t the issue here.
The person took very public shots at not only a client of their company but the host of the event they were at. Once called on it by their boss they doubled down and wouldn’t even commit to not doing it again.
From my seat that wouldn’t take much if any outside pressure to have them sacked.
For reals. This person sounds insufferable, I would have fired them too.