• zaperberry@lemmy.ca
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      Why? And what constitutes a “functional language” to you?

      Is the fact that they can read, write, speak, and understand the language not “functional” enough for you? The point gets across to the person receiving the message.

      You can even translate it to a “functional language” of your choice, with some restrictions. Translation restrictions aren’t isolated to Japanese either, there’s lots of languages that have things which don’t translate well, or at all, to English.

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      … they already have two syllabaries. They’re not about to upend their whole writing system just to maintain foreign intellectual property.

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      1. that’s literally one of the most bigoted comments I’ve ever seen in the fediverse

      2. your comment is in English, a language so non-functional it’s the only one that had to have spelling bees to get kids to learn its asinine rules

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        Uhh… Basically every language I can think of have had some form of childhood activity that pushed learning it’s asinine rules at some point in it’s history.

        Cause fun fact.

        Literally every language that has ever existed is batshit crazy, makes no sense and might as well be unhinged nonsense.

        That’s not a monopoly English has. Not by a fucking long shot.

        That guy’s comment is racist as fuck tho

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          The more i look into different languages, the more i feel different languages are just as complex as each other, with complexity put in different places

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          That guy’s comment is racist as fuck tho

          Chances are high they hate it because they had to learn kanji in school or for work.

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                I think ideograms suck because they are an extremely bad writing system

                That’s nice, but what you originally said was that “the Japanese don’t have a functional writing system”, which is bigoted, because it constitutes an unreasonable belief/prejudice against a particular group of people (“the Japanese”). It’s an unreasonable position because the Japanese writing system is obviously functional, as millions of people use it to great effect every day.

                imperial units suck because they are an extremely bad measurement system

                This is not bigotry because it isn’t an unreasonable belief, and it doesn’t target/prejudice against one specific group (other than ‘imperial measurement users’, which isn’t really an identifying or culturally significant group).

                Bonus question: If I say it’s an excellent time to drop the Gregorian calendar do I win at racism for expanding it to the whole world?

                Bonus answer: no, bigotry targets/prejudices against a specific identifying group. “The whole world” doesn’t qualify as a group that you can be bigoted against. Hating everyone makes you a grumpy curmudgeon, but not a racist.

                Hope this helps.

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                    I’m not being dishonest, I paraphrased.

                    Excellent time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language.

                    Your original comment (included above for convenience) very clearly implies that Japanese is not a functional language because it doesn’t use an alphabet. I didn’t misrepresent you at all.

                    “Imperial measurement users” are an “identifying or culturally significant group”, they are called Americans

                    First, plenty of other places other than America, Liberia, and Myanmar use imperial units. And even if they didn’t, the inclusion of Liberia and Myanmar means “imperial system users” isn’t just identifying Americans, so you’re just flat out incorrect about that. I’m ignoring the bit where you said “[Liberia and Myanmar] are not culturally significant groups over the internet” because that implies that you think bigotry only exists on the Internet, or maybe you think you can only be bigoted against a group with a large enough Internet presence or something? Which I know you can’t possibly think, so I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt there and chalking that up to a miscommunication.

                    Second, bigotry necessarily involves holding an unreasonable position or belief. The belief that the imperial system is worse than metric is not unreasonable, because there’s evidence supporting that belief, and there’s even a large number of imperial system users that hold that belief. The belief that it’s “time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language” is unreasonable for the reasons I explained previously.

                    Third, it doesn’t matter what ethnicity or nationality you used, the structure of your statement would still be bigoted, because it would still be an unreasonable belief that prejudices against a particular group of people.

                    Hope this helps.

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                I think ideograms suck because they are an extremely bad writing system, and imperial units suck because they are an extremely bad measurement system

                And I think you suck because you are an extremely bad person.

                Equivalent statement right?