"Along with the very real and violent war on the ground – there is also a fierce information war. Like Tuesday’s explosion at the Gaza hospital which Hamas says killed hundreds of people.

Israel says it was a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket, which they deny. Hamas says it was an Israeli airstrike, which they deny.

But tonight Forensic Architecture, Earshot and the Ramallah based NGO Al Haq have shared new information with Channel 4 News they say casts doubt on some aspects of Israel’s account."

The evidence is presented in the video

  • jungle@lemmy.world
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    Do you’re realize the Palestinians were given that option and they rejected it?

    Everything you described sounds great, it’s the reasonable and kind way to think, but I keep asking the same question: how do you do that with a population whose most extreme members, which are a significant proportion, have one mission in life, and that is to kill every single one of you, not just because of your oppression (that’s a contributing factor of course) but because of your religion?

    Also, in this case, you’d need to overcome the religious extremists not just in the population you want to integrate, but in other countries who are using that population to attack you by proxy.

    Tell me, how do you solve this?

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      You can’t blame an entire ethnicity for the actions of a few. Even a large few.

      Unless you’re willing to exterminate the entire population, you’re going to have to deal with them.

      That means making overtures, and peace, with the majority of the population, providing them a better future together than one apart.

      And that means treating terrorism, as terrorism rather than a war against a an entire ethnicity.

      And it’s not easy, and they’ve both ratcheted themselves into a terrible position. So it’s going to take a lot of soul searching on both sides.

      So yeah, ratcheting down the Gaza situation is going to be difficult, especially because Hamas is very popular there for all these reasons. So initially the piece overtures are going to help Hamas, but we have to have faith that net net the population is going to see a better future. Most people don’t want to fight, if they have better options. Throughout all of history. So that means those young men with no future and no prospects and no jobs, they need to get something to do.

      Maybe this plan involves unifying the West Bank in Gaza, so that the West Bank political system can provide stability to Gaza. We got to try something other than the current kill and oppress. Because kill an oppress doesn’t work as we’ve seen. Unless you’re going to kill them all. And then we have another name for that

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        I’m sorry, I realize I’m going in circles, repeating myself comment after comment.

        My parents fled the Holocaust and even though I don’t consider myself Jewish, by ethnicity and by family history I am. I think nobody deserves to be killed no matter what.

        I hope there’s a solution and that I’m wrong. I hope my opinion is not based on experience but on the fact that I’m old and jaded.

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        I’m not blaming an ethnicity, I don’t care what ethnicity anyone is. I’m blaming religious extremism.

        I commend you for your optimism, I wish everyone thought like you. The world would be a better place.

        But in this case, all of that has been tried, and it failed. It should absolutely continue to be tried, and I want to be clear that I don’t support what Israel is doing right now, but let’s not kid ourselves. There’s no solution, there will never be one.