• rufus
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      We need a proper leftist party we can vote instead.

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          Well, I used to like some of their (die Linke) contributions. But lately, I don’t consider them a viable party to vote for. I don’t have a well founded opinion on Sarah Wagenknecht. But now that like 20 people vote for the Linke, I don’t consider it an issue if someone takes away a few of their voters. They’re kind of meaningless anyways.

          Sometimes I look at the USA and wonder if that’s our destiny. A government without participation of social democrats and the parties who have that in their name being more incompetent than anything of value to the citizens…

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            I hope that’s not what’s to come. I think because our parlimentary system allows for multiple parties (i.e. > 2) we have the advantage that a true social democrat party always has the chance to rise and achieve a ruling coalition. It isn’t perfect, but I think it’s a better system.

            But regarding die Linke, I dont think they were ever a viable party to vote for. They’ve supported actual terrorists and Wagenknecht is Sarah Palin level crazy.

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              Yeah, I was more referring to them doing the opposition and occasionally speaking up for the citizen in things like child care, taxes and how to treat the people who are not well off. Sometimes surveillance and stuff. I guess I like someone doing that. But you’re right, they always had that mixed with some strange ideas.

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          Well, if Wagenknecht manages to take all the un-electable baggage with her, maybe die Linke could actually become a party one could vote for.

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        I absolutely hate how some attention craving idiots completely destroyed the pirate party from within.

        A liberal party that’s not neoliberal centrist like the lobby party we have but instead with a left leaning social part and a very open minded and modern world view would be so perfect…

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          Guess we wish for something similar.

          Idk. The 'new’er parties like the Pirate Party or Volt didn’t really take off. Seems like only the right manages to pull it off.

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            Because everyone on the left is too scared to vote for smaller parties and lose their vote if they don’t make it.

            More radical parties always have it easier to convince people to vote for them despite that.

            I really wish we had ranked choice voting here…

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        There is still the communist party, but it’s tiny and likely never going to get into parliament.

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      The SPD hasn’t been leftist since Schröder, anyone still voting for them over believing they are has missed way more than one train.

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        They haven’t been leftist since they helped the nazis to power almost 100 years ago by now.

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          You could argue that, too. But they have been much further left than they are now between the end of WW2 and Schröder.

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        There still is a left wing in the party, I would vote for Kühnert if I could.
        But yes, mostly the party is run by conservatives.

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          That “left” wing is barely relevant and only very moderately left. What counts is who is running the party, and that have been conservatives and neoliberals since Schröder.

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      A leftist party can’t win over conservatives voters by imitating conservatives, but it sure can loose leftist voters by that.

      Yes, it can.

      I’m not sure I’d call the Social Democrats in either country country “leftist” (they’re center-left and the “center” portion is more relevant), but it’s fairly likely that the Scholz’ party copying the Danish route would work. The issue is that the SPD’s approach is that it was half-hearted. If you want to win over xenophobes you have to mean it. For now the assumption with voters is that Scholz and the other SPD people are all bark and no bite.