Do you believe that men who have successfully transitioned should be allowed to compete in women’s sports? Let’s not attack each other and just give our opinion and give educated, civil answers
Do you believe that men who have successfully transitioned should be allowed to compete in women’s sports? Let’s not attack each other and just give our opinion and give educated, civil answers
I can’t follow your logic. Trans people may be marginalized in some areas where it doesn’t make sense, therefore we’ll be ignoring an area where there’s room (and need) for a completely reasonable debate, and as a result we’ll just completely ignore the issues of another marginalized group?
Make it make sense.
If the debate here would be whether trans people should have access to sports at all, then yes you could easily point out who’s the asshole denying those rights. But this is not the case. The debate isn’t about access to sports in general, but to female sports specifically.
If you refuse to even engage in the debate, or think about the consequences, then you don’t understand the issue of women in sports in general. I’ve given you some pointers to think about already, so you could stop with this falacy.
Simply put it, sports have very different rules then society as a whole. Lots of things that make sense in one don’t make sense in the other. Or do you think you can rewrite rules of baseball because of some legislation about road traffic?
This is something the sports bodies need to decide on, specifically sports bodies that oversee women sports. Pushing either agenda based on politics outside the sports (like the legislation you mention) is just damaging the entire concept of sports.
“Make it make sense.”
Let’s look at the actual data - how many trans-women athletes are engaged in competitive sports in women’s divisions where they’ve shown a dominating advantage due to their physique/physiology? I concede that n>1. But I also believe that n is relatively small (based on my personal experience following the news, which I also concede is not the best way to do it). I believe that the NCAA has done a study on this and found that this situation is rare. Another commenter seemed interested in starting a list, and I would be interested to see it.
Thing is, you really only need one, or a small rare handful, to dominate their field in a way that’s not achievable by cis women. I mean, only one person can have the gold medal, or a world record, or be a champion.
If you don’t get it, you either a) are missing the entire point of sports, b) are invalidating the needs and specifics of women sports.
How are you so adamant about rights of one group yet completely dismissing the rights and needs of another? I’ve already explained to you the situation in women sports.
The only question at hand is whether trans women have an advantage. If the sporting bodies conclude that yes, then the only reasonable answer is to not allow them to compete, regardless of whatever political situation is outside of the sport. If the answer is no, then sure let them, but it doesn’t seem like that’s the case.
Or maybe it’s individual. It’s not the first time people in sports would be forced into some restrictions. There’s been similar debates about para athletes with prostheses, whether they may have advantages over fleshy human bits.
Regardless, I’m exiting this debate. I’m not interested in this matter that much, at least not to run in circles. I’ll just leave it to the sporting bodies.