Israeli officials are facing backlash after years of Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu quietly allowing Hamas to remain in power.

But reporting in the New York Times has revealed that Netanyahu’s government was more hands-on about helping Hamas: they helped a Qatari diplomat bring suitcases of cash into Gaza, indirectly boosting the militant organization, according to the report.

The calculus — the Times reported on Sunday, citing Israeli officials, Netanyahu’s critics, and the man’s own reported statements — was to keep Hamas strong enough to counteract the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, allowing Netanyahu to avoid a two-state peace solution and keep both sides weak.

Israeli security officials got it wrong; they didn’t think Hamas was capable, or even interested, in launching a large attack against the Jewish state.

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    It’s from the U.S. tyranny playbook: Allow a tragedy to happen, and then you get the support of the people to do whatever it takes to stop terrorism such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

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      This is every colonizer’s playbook: you make constant small incursions, then when the people finally push back, you use it as an excuse to wipe them out and take the land.

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      I understand you are not implying that pearl harbour and 9/11 where inside jobs.

      I think, you just referencing to the public support that followed those events. Right?

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        Theres some who think the mistakes of Pearl Harbor wasn’t anything but incompetence/human error.

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        Not inside jobs necessarily but both events had credible foreknowledge of an imminent attack that wasn’t acted upon.

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          Hamas also had credible foreknowledge that Israel would start fucking them and everything near them up if they committed an incredibly successful terrorist strike. That didn’t seem to deter them.

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            Of course not. Hamas isn’t responsible for israel’s genocide. If anything the israeli response has shown the world just how much of a Nazi state israel truly is.

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              Hamas isn’t responsible for israel’s genocide.

              Yes, I agree (although it’s war, not a genocide). In the same logic, the foreknowledge that Israel had about Hamas’s strike does not make Hamas’s strike Israel’s fault.

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                Genocide is any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

                (a) Killing members of the group;
                (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
                (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
                (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
                (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
                

                Sure seems like Israel is trying to get a full bingo card on this one even if you reject the notion of «genocide».

                And before you go for the “intent” get out of jail free card…

                Israel’s Public Diplomacy Minister: "Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil.

                Gaza should be erased!"

                Still questioning a genocidal intent?

                How about Bibi Netanyahu saying “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," .

                Defense Minister Yoav Gallant called residents of Gaza, about half of whom are children, “human animals” as he ordered a “complete siege” on the enclave including a total blockade of food, fuel, and electricity.

                Former military officer Eliyahu Yossian said the IDF must enter Gaza “with the aim of revenge, zero morality, maximum corpses,” and toldChannel 14 in Israel on Monday that “there is no population in Gaza, there are 2.5 million terrorists.”

                Earlier this year, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said at an event in Paris, “There’s no such thing as Palestinians because there’s no such thing as a Palestinian people.” He also said the West Bank town of Huwara should be “wiped out” by “the state of Israel,” while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented a map of what he called “The New Middle East”—without the illegally occupied West Bank, Gaza, or East Jerusalem—at the United Nations General Assembly just weeks before the onslaught in Gaza began.

                Sure seems like a pattern of intent. I could find you that video of Bibi back in 2002 saying much the same if you like. This isn’t new.

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                  Not to say the Israeli isn’t 110% shit but the ‘bingo card’ you present remains completely empty. Sure they’d like all Gazans to flee to Egypt but anyone calling this a genocide just hasn’t seen a real genocide yet

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        No, not inside jobs, but not dealt with appropriately so as to get America involved or to pass the patriot act. We know for a fact that the CIA was still trying to flip one of the terrorist pilots the day of.

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            What facts do you have that Jewish people allowed Oct 7 to happen?

            Or even the american government allowing 9/11?

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              The Saudis are US allies. They did 911. Yet we remain allies. It doesn’t mean we ‘did it’ through them. But it’s suspect and deserves consideration.

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                A closer inspection already showed it was rogue saudi elements and a combination of arrogant, incompetent analysts during a transition period of presidencies.

                You should give that consideration.

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              The New York times did a few pieces on it at the beginning of Dec.
              “Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago.
              A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.” https://archive.ph/SDOlU

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                Yeah, them dismissing it was a mistake. They thought it was BS.

                They get a lot of threats. Some will be false positives or false negatives.

                Doesnt mean they wanted or allowed the attack to happen. Ffs this entire thread is full of brain dead communists or some shit

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          The belief that israel allowed hamas to attack them to take Palestinian land is anti semitic as fuck.

          It has no basis in any available evidence. Israeli people were pissed at the incompetence of the government.

          The only reason to peddle this lie is to propagate the belief of that Israel has no right to protect its Jewish citizens that Hamas wants to massacre.

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            I am not against Jewish people, but Netanyahu. There’s a difference.

            And you even stated the people.were.pissed off over the incompetence of the government. So, it’s almost as if the government should have done better than they actually did.

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              So are you, in the context of this thread, under the belief that is a conspiracy to allow Hamas to do oct 7 in order for Jewish people to take Palestinian land? Despite that conspiracy theory having no evidence?

              It is not nust Netanyahu trying to rescue the hostages. It is israelis too.

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                You keep saying no evidence but you clearly haven’t even tried google since the New York Times shows up pretty easily.

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                    You replied by calling people communist for some reason. Yet you claim we are brainless?

                    How about you try again, and this time think about your words a bit so they make a little sense.

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        I don’t fault anyone for being born, but I fault them for what they do with life. I am not against Jewish people, but Netanyahu’s regime. I do not support HAMAS, but the Palestinian people who, along with ethnic jews, are being exterminated. Nuance. Fine details.

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          Do you believe jewish people conspired to let hamas attack on oct 7 in order to take Palestinians land? Despite no evidence?

          If you do, that is anti semitic.

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            Israel was built for European immigrants. They’re not Semitic. Arabs are.

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              There’s jews that lived ther, jews that migrated from Europe, and jews that came from the Ottoman states and the Middle East to escape discrimiation under islamic regimes. Descendants of the latter group being the largest today iirc

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              Dna sequencing shows that the Y chromosome from israelis is much closer to other middle easterners and jews that never left the middle east than any europeans.

              This is an anti semitic lie that you peddle. The jews in israel rn have always been middle eastern.