• jakoma02@czech-lemmy.eu
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    The point of these lectures is mostly not to teach how to work with Turing machines, it is to understand the theoretical limits of computers. The Turing machine is just a simple to describe and well-studied tool used to explore that.

    For example, are there things there that cannot be computed on a computer, no matter for how long it computes? What about if the computer is able to make guesses along the way, can it compute more? Because of this comic, no — it would only be a lot faster.

    Arguably, many programmers can do their job even without knowing any of that. But it certainly helps with seeing the big picture.

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      Arguably, a much more important thing for the students to learn is the limits of humans. The limits of the computer will never be a problem for 99% of these students or they’ll just learn on the job the types of problems they’re good at solving and the ones that aren’t.

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        The limits of computers would be the same as the limits for humans. We have no reason to think the human brain has a stronger computation power than a Turing machine.

        So, in a way, learning about the limits of computers is the exact same as learning the limits of humans.

        But also, learning what the limits of computers are is absolutely relevant. You get asked to create an algorithm for a problem and its useful to be able to figure out whether it actually is solvable, or how fast it theoretically can be. Avoids wasting everyone’s time trying to build an infinite loop detector.

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          The “limits of humans” I was referring to were things like:

          • How long can you push a deadline before someone starts to get really mad
          • How many dark patterns you can cram into an app before the users stop using it
          • The extremes of human stupidity

          👍

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            …none of which would be relevant for most people working in back-end, which would be most people that take compsci.

            I would hate to go to a compsci study and learn management instead. It’s not what I signed up for.

            University also shouldn’t just be a job training program.

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        Two govt spooks are hunting a dangerous fugitive who is also a humanities graduate. He escapes into a sprawling maze of tunnels. “It’s hopeless,” one of the spooks says. But the other simply says, “Watch.” then proclaims loudly, “studying linear algebra is important because of its use in stochastic processes and image manipulation.” Before he finishes the sentence, the fugitive emerges back out the tunnel and shouts, “but what’s even more important --” and is immediately knocked unconscious and taken for questioning