This post is in part a response to an aspect of Nate’s post “Does Wayland really break everything?“, but also my reflection on discussing Wayland protocol additions, a unique pleasure that I have been involved with for the past months.

Before I start I want to make a few things clear: The Linux desktop will be moving to Wayland – this is a fact at this point (and has been for a while), sticking to X11 makes no sense for future projects.

By switching to Wayland compositors, we are already forcing a lot of porting work onto toolkit developers and application developers. This is annoying, but just work that has to be done. It becomes frustrating though if Wayland provides toolkits with absolutely no way to reach their goal in any reasonable way.

Many missing bits or altered behavior are just papercuts, but those add up. And if users will have a worse experience, this will translate to more support work, or people not wanting to use the software on the respective platform.

What’s missing?

  1. Window positioning
  2. Window position restoration
  3. Window icons
  4. Limited window abilities requiring specialized protocols
  5. Automated GUI testing / accessibility / automation

I spent probably way too much time looking into how to get applications cross-platform and running on Linux, often talking to vendors (FLOSS and proprietary) as well. Wayland limitations aren’t the biggest issue by far, but they do start to come come up now, especially in the scientific space with Ubuntu having switched to Wayland by default. For application authors there is often no way to address these issues.

    • superbirra@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      but they who? I will not change a bit of my setup because a random internet neckbeard mandates that lol :P

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        11 months ago

        Don’t cry us a river once you are actually forced because party of your system are out-dated or programs are not working as expected anymore. Times move on.

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          11 months ago

          rotfl, rest assured I would not cry you nothing even if I wouldn’t be able to do basic maintenance to my things.
          It’s time you figure out you are not an elite superhaxxor because you use a software or another 😭😭😭 or maybe not, after all I’m here for the lulz

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            11 months ago

            eh “ok”.