Lately Iā€™ve been seeing posters here express some form of the sentiment that Hexbear has fallen from its previous heights of glory and now we post amongst the ruins of greatness. This is not a response to anyone in particular, and I donā€™t want to call anyone out. In fact, it seems to be a normal human tendency to romanticize the past. But Iā€™ve been here since the beginning and want to provide an alternate view.

1. Hexbear just isnā€™t like it used to be. doomjak

This is one I am particularly suspicious of, since people started posting this after the site had been around for a couple of months. Before that they posted about how chapo.chat wasnā€™t like the old chapotraphouse subreddit. If the good olā€™ days ever existed, they always seem to have been just prior to the current moment. If anything the site culture and vibe have been remarkably consistent since its inception, for better or worse. Faces have changed, people have come and gone and sometimes come back again, but Hexbear remains.

2. People used to be nice here and treat each other as comrades. Now there is just a culture of shallow dunks. doomer

Seriously? Be for real. Iā€™m not going to deny that we love a good dunk around here, but letā€™s not pretend that this is a new phenomenon. Itā€™s a big part of the culture around here that predates the site and even arguably even the subreddit. You can be free to like it or not, criticize it or not, say its productive or not, but its definitely not a new development. Thereā€™s always been a lot of love and mutual support, but also a lot of vicious arguments intracommunity arguments here. If anything I think thereā€™s less of this now. The early posters would laugh at what passes for a struggle session around here these days. The VCJ struggle session seemed at the time like it might legitimately end the entire site.

3. This site had the potential to be a place for organizing and building something rather than just posting. marx-doomer

This one is an interesting counterfactual. From the beginning there was no clear agreement on what the ultimate purpose of the site would be, and there were definitely people who saw the site as having revolutionary potential. There were also people who saw it as a place to hang out and shitpost among comrades and were skeptical of its potential for organizing. Over time, I think itā€™s become clear that weā€™re closer to the latter than the former. Iā€™m okay with that, personally, but more than that I think itā€™s worth considering why despite having a lot of smart, determined people on the site, organizing never really materialized, or if it ever had that potential in the first place.

4. People used to post effort posts and stuff and now its just a bunch of shitposting. internet-delenda-est

Itā€™s always been mostly shitposting. This is one of my first comments on this site. Itā€™s hard to say if there really used to be more effort posts or not, but whatā€™s stopping you from writing an effort post if you feel like Hexbear needs more of them? Iā€™m doing it right now, and so can you.

One thing that really has changed is that we used to have more comrades actively working on developing the site. Hopefully more people will step up to do that (not me though because I canā€™t code).

In conclusion, Hexbear is mostly, for better or worse, as it always has been. Enjoy your time here without worrying about whether it measures up to some imagined glorious past. If thereā€™s something you feel is lacking, step up and contribute it. This site is nothing more or less than the sum of our contributions.

  • Vampire [any]@hexbear.net
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    the_dunk_tank is a bad concept for a subbear and I wish it wasnā€™t so prominent.

    The internet is a communication network with billions of people connected to it. Of course somebody somewhere will say something stupid on it. Every day. You shouldnā€™t pay attention to it. It also amplifies people who deliberately voice shit opinions for views.

    Good sense says focus on quality instead of deliberately wallowing.

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      Itā€™d be fine if it was people who mattered, or people we thought were on our side, or exceptionally bizarre and verified to not be trolling. Showing some random Redditor is an Epstein-defending paedophile isnā€™t really useful to see.

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      Somewhat contrary to my other post in this thread I actually think the dunk tank is an important place for people to learn. Putting colossally bad takes on display for folks to mock and tear apart is a great way for some folks to learn. Maybe they have a similar take and can see why that take is harmful. Maybe they didnā€™t know they had a take on something and seeing a bad take get obliterated can help them form a good take on it.

      Also itā€™s just important for anti capitalists to have a safe space to vent. We canā€™t safely vent in society most of the time so itā€™s important for us to have a place to blow off steam sometimes too.

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        Maybe they have a similar take and can see why that take is harmful.

        Well, Iā€™ve also seen it happen a few times where someone makes a dunk post about something and any actual criticism of it is flushed out by shittons of weird memery, because posters are more concerned about following the correct line than having takes because of actual reasons. Itā€™s not even remotely common, I think Iā€™ve seen it maybe once or twice total, but itā€™s a concern.