Lately Iā€™ve been seeing posters here express some form of the sentiment that Hexbear has fallen from its previous heights of glory and now we post amongst the ruins of greatness. This is not a response to anyone in particular, and I donā€™t want to call anyone out. In fact, it seems to be a normal human tendency to romanticize the past. But Iā€™ve been here since the beginning and want to provide an alternate view.

1. Hexbear just isnā€™t like it used to be. doomjak

This is one I am particularly suspicious of, since people started posting this after the site had been around for a couple of months. Before that they posted about how chapo.chat wasnā€™t like the old chapotraphouse subreddit. If the good olā€™ days ever existed, they always seem to have been just prior to the current moment. If anything the site culture and vibe have been remarkably consistent since its inception, for better or worse. Faces have changed, people have come and gone and sometimes come back again, but Hexbear remains.

2. People used to be nice here and treat each other as comrades. Now there is just a culture of shallow dunks. doomer

Seriously? Be for real. Iā€™m not going to deny that we love a good dunk around here, but letā€™s not pretend that this is a new phenomenon. Itā€™s a big part of the culture around here that predates the site and even arguably even the subreddit. You can be free to like it or not, criticize it or not, say its productive or not, but its definitely not a new development. Thereā€™s always been a lot of love and mutual support, but also a lot of vicious arguments intracommunity arguments here. If anything I think thereā€™s less of this now. The early posters would laugh at what passes for a struggle session around here these days. The VCJ struggle session seemed at the time like it might legitimately end the entire site.

3. This site had the potential to be a place for organizing and building something rather than just posting. marx-doomer

This one is an interesting counterfactual. From the beginning there was no clear agreement on what the ultimate purpose of the site would be, and there were definitely people who saw the site as having revolutionary potential. There were also people who saw it as a place to hang out and shitpost among comrades and were skeptical of its potential for organizing. Over time, I think itā€™s become clear that weā€™re closer to the latter than the former. Iā€™m okay with that, personally, but more than that I think itā€™s worth considering why despite having a lot of smart, determined people on the site, organizing never really materialized, or if it ever had that potential in the first place.

4. People used to post effort posts and stuff and now its just a bunch of shitposting. internet-delenda-est

Itā€™s always been mostly shitposting. This is one of my first comments on this site. Itā€™s hard to say if there really used to be more effort posts or not, but whatā€™s stopping you from writing an effort post if you feel like Hexbear needs more of them? Iā€™m doing it right now, and so can you.

One thing that really has changed is that we used to have more comrades actively working on developing the site. Hopefully more people will step up to do that (not me though because I canā€™t code).

In conclusion, Hexbear is mostly, for better or worse, as it always has been. Enjoy your time here without worrying about whether it measures up to some imagined glorious past. If thereā€™s something you feel is lacking, step up and contribute it. This site is nothing more or less than the sum of our contributions.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    Only three things have ever really annoyed me on this site (aside of course from the wreckers and libs)

    The siteā€™s knee-jerk takes on 40K lore

    Certain ā€œPOC-relatedā€ analogy arguments used as a bludgeon in certain ā€œvegan-relatedā€ threads of all things (tho that was three years ago, and it couldā€™ve been the work of wreckers)

    And finally the persistent efforts of a small group of wayward souls to wokeify what I will diplomatically call ā€œlight skin identitarianismā€

    Aside from all that, this site is a marvel of forum engineering

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      Whatā€™s your take on the current state of 40k lore?

      It seems to transitioning to a living setting (stuff actually happens), but itā€™s starting to feel like they ran out of space in 30k and they just want to play with the primarchs to sell more fancy models.

      This risks losing the last remnants of social satire that they hadnā€™t dustbinned yet.

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        Iā€™m gonna be honest the social satire from the 80s is at this point in time the weakest element of the lore (aside from the Matt Ward garbage that still hasnā€™t been purged from the canon) the resurrection of Guilliman and his reaction to the imperium is the most interesting lore of the last ten years and is a decent examination of imperial folly and its long term consequences and is way better than the tired ā€œhardy harr Thachter is an orkā€ stuff lefists treat as the pinnacle of satire

        The 40K crime books are pretty good too with the more mature and subtle satire, especially one scene involving mutants being burnt alive that had a strong racialized element to it that made me wince (in a good way), the artistic risk made by that author pissed off some chudy fans so the direction is pretty good

        Horus Heresy was hit or miss but Iā€™ve been happy with the Siege of Terra series because FINALLY the writers appreciate the scale of the universe, plus damn good characterization

        Itā€™s time to let go of the 80s and accept the franchise on its own merits both good, bad and cringy

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          Those are good points, tbh I think my fondness for the 80s stuff is they actually took swipes at existing politicians. Imagine a franchise doing that now sicko-wistful.

          Iā€™m like halfway through Abnettā€™s Battle of Britain in space book, but it sounds like I need to check out the crime and SoT books. Iā€™m a sucker for siege stories anyways.

          the artistic risk made by that author pissed off some chudy fans so the direction is pretty good

          People actually treating the books like literature is to be applauded, I hope the author continues getting black library gigs. It would be really cool to have a better BL author cover the Votann at some point. Somebody who knows how to write well could do some cool shit about <current trends> with a culture that worships a malfunctioning AI.

          Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on the topic. Itā€™s nice getting to talk warhammer in a chud free zone.