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- politics@lemmy.org
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- politics@lemmy.org
Just under half of likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers who support former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley indicated that they would make a crossover to the Democratic party, saying that they would rather vote for President Biden over former President Trump.
A new NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll released just one day before the Iowa caucuses found that 43 percent of Haley backers in the state said they would vote for Biden if Trump is the GOP nominee, while 23 percent say they would vote for the former president. Eight percent said they would vote for independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Overall, 71 percent of likely GOP caucusgoers said they would vote for Trump in 2024, while only 11 percent said they would vote for Biden.
“Haley is consolidating the anti-Trump vote,” J. Ann Selzer, a pollster who has conducted the Iowa survey over the last three decades, told NBC. “She does well with the people who define themselves as anti-Trump.”
Well that’s good news. Now we just gotta see how well she does tomorrow. Biden might actually win in 2024. I’ve been feeling so negative about it because most Americans don’t understand what caused inflation and “well, the economy was better under Trump” means literally nothing when a global pandemic and regional wars fucked the world up
The Trump economy is exactly why we’re having this housing crisis. His administration kept interest rates insanely low, way after the economy had recovered from the recession. This resulted in an insane amount of borrowing, because even poor investments could easily beat the interest rate, so it was essentially free money.
Well, surprise surprised, a ton of that borrowed money went straight into the real estate market as “safe” investments, which caused housing prices to sky rocket.
The pandemic certainly added fuel to the fire, but people tend to forget the underlying cause of massive housing inflation - “free” money and a no brainer investment.
The pandemic just fuel to the fire because everyone suddenly looked to upgrade their home situation, due to being stuck there on lock down.
And speaking of fuel, there’s more domestic oil production under Biden than under Trump! How much do we hear them bitch about the price of gas? They’re so stupid
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Probably actually more a problem with fed policy under Obama. It’s understandable that rates went to zero after 2008, but keeping them there for 7+ years doesn’t look great in hindsight. Trump actually did hike rates prior to the Pandemic, with Obama doing a few small hikes right before he left office as well.
Also, the weird truth is that the economy did better under both Obama and Biden than it did under trump, but the wingers don’t let facts get in the way of their talking points. I’ve been worried about Haley getting the nomination because I think she could beat Biden. I don’t think trump would. For me trump winning is scarier, but more unlikely.
I’d be afraid of any GOP win. Trump rewrote the rules and they will never return to center. There is a chance who ever takes the torch from Trump is actually competent and that’s terrifying.
The pendulum swings back and forth for the US Presidency, so it’s not a matter of IF, but WHEN another Republican eventually gets into the Oval Office. Whether its next year or 4 or 8 years from now, they will eventually get into power again since the Electoral College favors minority rule. We’re fucked without massive systemic change.
By all means vote for the party that actually gives a flying duck about rules and decorum, but the Republicans have butchered the political game and there’s no going back until they have all the power. They next 2-3 decades are not going to be the future we were hoping for. Look into failing, declining democracies throughout history, or the downfall of Rome, and you’ll see a lot of similarities with the current US situation.
You can find it on Amazon, but it’s also at most local libraries, but the book “How Democracies Die” by Steven Levitsky from 2018 talks about how democracies throughout history have failed and he also touches on a few ways to save it. Well worth a read if you are into that sort of topic.
Im scared of a Trump win but terrified of a Trump loss. What will happen if he loses a second general election? I would rather see Haley get the nomination because the Trumpers would write in Trump and Biden would win easily. I’m voting for Haley in my state’s primary lmao
One thing to keep it mind, when he lost the first time, he was still in control of the government so his power and influence was far greater than it is now. This second time around, he has no power whatsoever, he’s just another citizen, but it is through his supporters, and the constant media attention, that he wields the illusion of power, but not political power. Objectively, it will be A LOT harder for Trump to attempt another coup since he no longer has all the political levers to control.
I agree with you there! But at the same time, him with less options leaves the door open for more unfettered violence. I think it’s not likely that a bunch of old racist men who cosplay as Navy SEALs would stage a widespread revolt that involves multiple domestic terrorist incidents, but… it’s sort of not impossible either. Some rightwingers took out a power grid near Fort Bragg last year. Makes me wonder if that was a drill
It sucks but does it matter at this point? There is a mass shooting pretty much every day. I bet no matter what they do it wouldn’t even budge the typical number of people who die this way a single percent for that week.
I’m not sure that would be their goal. I would expect them to target key infrastructure and personnel to maximize chaos. I don’t see them being mass murderers. More like calculated assassins and masters of chaos. Bottom line, whether Trump wins or loses, America will be worse off. If he wanted to make America great again, he would throw himself off of his tower in NYC
Legit question from a non-American - are Repubs really likely to vote for a woman for president?
Not just Republicans. I know several people on both sides of the aisle who only voted for Trump the first time because they didn’t want a woman president.
A woman republican candidate will lose badly bc they would not.
That’s the thing about the collision between reality and politics though: the former doesn’t matter.
When I was in the military, they used to always say “Perception is reality.” I’m no philosophy major, but I always thought that was exceedingly stupid, especially for the military.
But the more I learn about the world, the more I’m just like…yeah, okay, if you want to be pragmatic, then perception is reality.
So, the fact that most Americans don’t understand what caused inflation and attribute it to the president like idiots means everything politically. It’s Americans who are voting. And if they can proudly identify Canada on a map and proclaim it’s the U.S., then that’s what we’re stuck with.
Yeah, well said. I’ve given up trying to convince my MAGA mom that had Trump gotten a second term, inflation would still be high. I walked her through everything that happened and asked her what was it that Biden did that made inflation bad. It’s just crickets. They hear “Biden bad, inflation his fault” and that’s enough for them.
Until they can differentiate between a claim and a fact, we’re stuck with their alternative reality
I wouldn’t got that far but in general yes. Our ideas of the real world very much shape the world we live in. Which is only the case because all this tech and wealth and organization has shielded us from the real world.