Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        1 year ago

        lmao no one calls themselves “campist”, that’s a term Trotsky made up to tar Soviet sympathizers with the same brush as fascist sympathizers, based on his completely bullshit analysis of the late interwar period that puts the Soviets and Nazis in the same bloc.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            5·
            1 year ago

            I suppose Trotsky might have coined it, but I don’t know that he did and the term has a life in various facets outside of Trotskyism (though it is a stupid term in the vast majority of uses), but “campist” is not only a Trotsky coinage, but specifically an element within Trotsky’s “third campism” ideology that only has a life therein and is rarely used otherwise.