• decavolt@kbin.social
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    People sure like to dunk on PHP. I’ll take whatever flak for this, but this is the kind of meme a .NET fanboy or Ruby on Rails bro would make when they haven’t touched any languages other then their prescious, and don’t know wtf they’re talking about.

    PHP, after all these years, is STILL running 78% of all sites. That’s not because it’s garbage or the worst. It’s solid, reliable, mature and very well documented. And I say this as someone who has gladly moved to Python, but also work in in others.

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      Most of the hate for php was born back in version 3 or 4, when it was a mess. Also a lot of people who where in college in those years learned php as a first language.

      Combine a language that does not enforce good coding practices and a lot of people making their first website, and you get some pretty horrible codebases.

      As part of my job is to maintain legacy php websites, I’ve seen lovercraftian nightmares. I love modern php, but I get where all this hate is coming from.

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          Once I had to fix a website with everything in the same script. Every page, every bit of html with inlne CSS and Javascript, was there in a gigantic sequence of else if, with functions (with embedded business logic) to output the common bits.

          I mean, the streets of R’yleh were more navigable than… that.

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      1 year ago

      PHP was the first language I did any significant coding in. I will never use it again if I can at all avoid it.

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      Yes, but WordPress !== PHP. It’s one of the worst examples of what PHP can look like and they resolutely refuse to adopt modern standards or improve in any way. They still use SVN too. Bunch of backwards troglodytes.

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    While I’m no fan of PHP, I feel like it gets a disproportionate amount of hate when there’s some clearly worse languages out there. Where’s the hate for Perl, Bash, Visual Basic, or Matlab (never mind specialty languages like Spice).

    Or how about some controversial ones, to add some spice? C is often popular for it’s simplicity, but it’s arguably a terribly designed language. Undefined behavior is terrible. Pretty much no modern language makes the mistakes C made, so it’s pretty clear we’ve universally agreed it was bad design.

    Or for another one, Lisp family languages are popular in academic circles, but does anyone truly think all those parentheses made for a practical language? I think the near absence of any modern software being built with Lisp family languages speaks for itself.

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      The point of “esoteric” programming languages like Brainfuck or Befunge is to be a source of puzzles for people who enjoy that kind of puzzle. They’re not “bad programming languages” any more than an escape room is a “bad apartment”.