There is so much evidence of the Holocaust being real: The camps, the antisemitic propaganda, confessions from the defendants at nuremberg, etc. The abundance of evidence for the Holocaust is why denying it is such a deplorable action, one would have to be a Nazi to do so.
The same cannot be said for the human rights abuses that the west accuses its enemies of. RFA, their anonymous sources, and the grifters like Yeonmi Park have not provided sufficient evidence for their claims, and so “denial” of these alleged crimes isn’t a terrible thing to do, but is an attempt at pushing back lies.
The point I’m trying to make is, by directly equating people who don’t condemn the DPRK with Holocaust deniers, this person is diluting and trivializing Holocaust denial, and helping silence people who push back against state department propaganda.
The comment ‘those on the far left who defend North Korea are really no different from Holocaust deniers’ was what irritated me the most. Anybody who says that definitely hasn’t read Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why Do They Say It?. Aside from showing how the deniers operate (sometimes elevating their deception to the level of a business), it shows that we have plenty of good reasons to consider the Shoah factual: hundreds of documents authored by all sorts of people, photographs taken by all sorts of people, camps that we can still visit, inferential evidence (population demographics), and eyewitness testimony from a huge variety of people, from ordinary survivors to Sonderkommandos to SS guards to commandants to local townsfolk and even to high‐ranking Axis officials. How does the evidence for the DPRK’s rumored atrocities come close to that?
There’s a huge difference between why there’s sufficient evidence to the occurrance of the Holocauast, and why the average liberal believes it. The latter has nothing to do with the reasons you’ve given, they believe because they’ve been told enough times to accept it. As far as they know, there’s as much evidence for the hololdomor and literally anthing bad that could be happening in Xinjiang. There have been a comparable number of headlines saying “there be genocide here” for the others, and that’s the level of scrutiny they have.
B-but all the anti-Stalin books that make up new claims every so often but all go back to the same few debunked sources. If there’s enough people agree with the position I already decided on it must be true.
And at the same time, there is plenty of evidence refuting so-called genocides like Xinjiang, like the fact that the population numbers went up, instead of dropping like you’d normally see. Of course the evidence like you mentioned would also be there.
There is so much evidence of the Holocaust being real: The camps, the antisemitic propaganda, confessions from the defendants at nuremberg, etc. The abundance of evidence for the Holocaust is why denying it is such a deplorable action, one would have to be a Nazi to do so.
The same cannot be said for the human rights abuses that the west accuses its enemies of. RFA, their anonymous sources, and the grifters like Yeonmi Park have not provided sufficient evidence for their claims, and so “denial” of these alleged crimes isn’t a terrible thing to do, but is an attempt at pushing back lies.
The point I’m trying to make is, by directly equating people who don’t condemn the DPRK with Holocaust deniers, this person is diluting and trivializing Holocaust denial, and helping silence people who push back against state department propaganda.
The comment ‘those on the far left who defend North Korea are really no different from Holocaust deniers’ was what irritated me the most. Anybody who says that definitely hasn’t read Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why Do They Say It?. Aside from showing how the deniers operate (sometimes elevating their deception to the level of a business), it shows that we have plenty of good reasons to consider the Shoah factual: hundreds of documents authored by all sorts of people, photographs taken by all sorts of people, camps that we can still visit, inferential evidence (population demographics), and eyewitness testimony from a huge variety of people, from ordinary survivors to Sonderkommandos to SS guards to commandants to local townsfolk and even to high‐ranking Axis officials. How does the evidence for the DPRK’s rumored atrocities come close to that?
There’s a huge difference between why there’s sufficient evidence to the occurrance of the Holocauast, and why the average liberal believes it. The latter has nothing to do with the reasons you’ve given, they believe because they’ve been told enough times to accept it. As far as they know, there’s as much evidence for the hololdomor and literally anthing bad that could be happening in Xinjiang. There have been a comparable number of headlines saying “there be genocide here” for the others, and that’s the level of scrutiny they have.
Well said.
B-but all the anti-Stalin books that make up new claims every so often but all go back to the same few debunked sources. If there’s enough people agree with the position I already decided on it must be true.
Half of that boils to “Monefiore says” alone and this is entire depth of the citation lol.
Isn’t that the guy who went to Epstein’s pedo island and accused Stalin of banging a 13 year old?
The very same. Also thrown a lot of dung on others too, often with pedophilia card. Anticommunist bingo has his name on more than one square.
50,000,000 Elvis Fans said Communism bad. They can’t all be wrong!
And at the same time, there is plenty of evidence refuting so-called genocides like Xinjiang, like the fact that the population numbers went up, instead of dropping like you’d normally see. Of course the evidence like you mentioned would also be there.