Yeah it’s where we get a lot of purity doctrine as well… But when you read it you get the sense that Paul is a sex repulsed asexual. He’s like “well if you gotta do it be married… But also like just don’t if you can.”

Paul just comes across as an opportunistic narcissist riding on Jesus’s popularity and codifying things in a way people will do whatever he wants. “Give me (err mean my church) lots of money and listen to me and do what my most loyal friends tell you to and you’ll… Go to heaven… Yeah!”

So intersex reassignments of babies born with ambiguous characteristics?

Some Teamsters are wild man. One guy I rode with went on a whole thing about how he thought “Swamper” was such an outdated thing to call my position and I brought up the whole thing about how he wasn’t driving horses either and he went on a 40 minute tyrade about how very dare I/ it’s still called “horsepower” / proud history of the union…

Cocaine is one hell of a drug.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swamper_(occupational_title)

Old devilry. The same sort that has union truck drivers called “Teamsters” even though most of them have never been near a horse or mule.

I mean at this point he probably has a phobia of adept legal professionals. She probably gave him the Prosecution stare and he damn near wet himself.

Wow… The Incellionare speaks.

The trucker I swamp for has swapped rhetoric from “Kamala laughs like a hyena/ Trump is fine” to declarations about how he doesn’t care about politics and how maybe we should all just stop talking about it.

Very funny how fast that disengage happened.

Nope. Just boobs. Bottom surgery is actually all told not a super popular option since it has a long recovery process. Only about 14% of people who identiffy as trans actually go in for it.

There’s a bit of a risk reward calculation to make regarding how the options turn out and a lot of us compromise based on other life factors. It really is a very personal process and the general conception of transitions following a checklist to full surgically isn’t an accurate representation in the slightest. Most transitions are sort of composites of social engineering techniques combined with psychological practices of avoiding triggers. If you can get by without a surgery generally speaking you do.

In parlance we generally prefer that to be referred to as a “questioning phase” as saying it’s a “trans phase” tends to be in active use by some of the sort of anti-trans rhetoric peddlers like Abagail Shrier and Jordan Peterson. In the activism scene it’s a little “nails on a chalkboard” ish when you come across it .

Also generally speaking gender care for minors in the US and Canada is a four professionional team. A psychologist, a pediatrician, a social worker and an endocrinologist. In the UK it has extra personnel through their kind of arcane structure of gender clincs… So it’s already pretty well covered.

Well the whole “minors” thing is a little overblown. There is one surgery available for 16 year olds with parental consent covered for trans affirming care. Top surgery.

Every other surgery is only available when a person is basically voting age and can make their informed decision as a legal adult.

All in all the surgery is basically aesthetically reversable via silicone implants and formula exists for anybody who has trouble lactating for any reason so it is pretty low risk all told.

It’s hard to deal with other’s androphobia but realizing that it’s founded so often in personal experience is kind of the big step a lot of cis guys need. It’s not about making folk feel guilty it’s people stating that these things are problems and brainstorming ways to make things better so in the future there is less fear.

Cis Men are INTEGRAL to this process. So often the reasons things are the way they are isn’t anyone’s individual fault. If your workplace is all guys chances are folk just hired people they knew they would be comfortable around. That’s totally understandable! But If nobody takes the minute to realize that if everybody stays in their comfort zone then society doesn’t change.

A lot of the work of the feminist movement is a shifting target of a multitude of different spaces. Like black feminism and trans feminism had to fission off because certain aspects of privilege were keeping certain voices buried. Where a lot of the discussion is these days is where feminism failed men and they need men’s voices to discuss things in earnest while being understanding and accepting of the trauma that exists in those spaces.

Honestly I can see it. Working in male dominated workplaces for so long (I am trans but they didn’t know that) taking any kind of physical or procedural shortcut, or ask for help even if it was common practice would cause my coworkers to assume that I couldn’t do it things the regular way or make them treat me as less competent even if I had done it alone or the more physically demanding way where they could see at some point in the past.

The general assumption of guys is that women are less capable and they don’t change their minds easily. There’s a big difference between regular competence and the sort of self protective over performance of competence which is nessisary to get a lot of cis guys to actually realize their assumptions are bullshit and to stop treating women like they are precocious children.

Usually doing one big thing that shatters their preconceptions does the trick. I once, in frustration at being treated like a china doll demonstrated I could lift a 200 lbs coworker and walk the length of the warehouse with him on my back. But doing that only creates me as an “exception to the rule” and they will resume that behaviour with all of my female coworkers.

If you aren’t given a chance to prove yourself capable in one big flashy way that gets the guys to shut up it can cause all manner of disordered overwork practice as you have to constantly perform for an audience of the disbelieving in small ways and hope they figure it out that they are being assholes.

You see but here’s where how you’re putting this works together with other things. You are looking at trans people on the whole as a safety issue to the population at large. The framing of trans people on the right always places us as a problem l. That is an outright dehumanizing tactic and the answer is always left kind of purposefully vague because the answer is “we aren’t supposed to exist.”

The outcome of all this discussion is basically to raise the hurdles of being trans in a pubic space. To be frank, they know that basically making life miserable enough for us will solve their “problems” because when life gets too hard and devoid of joy and relief death becomes viable.

So they frame us as a public safety problem, a categorical problem, a mental health problem, a medical problem, a “ruining your fun” problem, a freedom of speech problem because they know every time they do so that you will think of us as a group a little less in terms of being people and a little more as a sacrifice that deserves what we get.

It doesn’t matter that prisons don’t change their design to fit us because as long as we’re the ones getting raped the system is fine.

It doesn’t matter that public toilets don’t change their design to make everyone safer as long as we never go out in public long enough to use one.

It doesn’t matter that basically it only takes six months to dial in what your dosage of hrt and from then on it’s just a prescription like every other you pick up monthly for any other medical condition . As long as we’re interpreted by the system as an ‘undue medical burden’ we can basically just allow stress to ruin our bodies so we die faster and voters can feel like they’ve saved resources.

It doesn’t matter that we have kids of our own because us “not being safe to be around children” means that we are banished from parental and teaching spaces and the child protection services can be empowered to take our children away to raise them “safely” .

The arguements that never frame systemic solutions that include trans people are paving the way for our genocide. They are designed to get you to stop thinking right before you ever consider us worthy of accomodation. You are supposed to look at us as taking YOUR resources away, making YOUR spaces less safe, ruining YOUR culture so that you feel unsafe and attacked even when those things aren’t actually happening. This effect is called creating a “Moral exclusion” and it is the first steps to creating outcast sections of society who you are not supposed to question where they SHOULD exist because you are primed to only think about them as in terms of where they should NOT exist.

There is good reason why we do not soothe your fears about evil creepy cis men in women’s bathrooms. Because it’s bad faith rhetoric designed to give us no recourse to argue that we should have as much a right to be safe. The fact is the numbers are in. In the ten plus years in my city where trans inclusion is the norm there has been no uptick in stalking incidents regarding bathroom use. Just because you are being engineered to feel less safe by politicians doesn’t mean you actually are less safe but you are making US less safe. But that’s not a problem because you aren’t supposed to value our safety or comfort even a little. Your not caring is useful to specific people so they are going to keep training you to do that and to never ask where the trans people went. Because unless you have the misfortune of being one of us or loving one of us enough to care we are just a problem.

That’s the thing, I am not so sure. Like ask for what the reason behind that discomfort would be and a lot of the time it still has it’s root in other people’s perceptions. There’s a lot of muddling factors, internalized misogyny and the need to project “manliness” as a distinct comparison is still basically an external training to feel that way about that feature. Things like fatphobia work off of external training to social body standards and a lot of that dynamic is at play in cis spaces…but doesn’t well graft one to one with the trans experience of dysphoria /euphoria.

It’s a difficult knot to dig down to it’s source but I think it’s a way more of a distinct difference of operations than people think hence why it’s so gorram hard to explain to most people what is going on.

To confirm this would require a bunch of study which isn’t really happening because cis people don’t really deeply examine or know where to start even into exploring what being cis actually is. They don’t really have to think about it. The only reason we trans folks have to do so much introspection is because we can’t just be left to do what we need. We have to quantify it and examine it to self advocate… And then when cis people render our situation back to us in completly dismissive nonsensical ways it prompts one to wonder. Maybe there really is a physical difference, some chunk of development that created an inflexibility where normally there is flexibility. A trans brain might exist in a subset of cis people and align internally (I have definitely met folk like that) but unless cis people talk to each other we might not be able to confirm.

That’s not quite what I mean. A lot of people basically just equate sex and gender as the same thing.

But what I am talking about is demonstratable this way : ask this to a cis person pick a sex characteristic, any physically dimorphic sex characteristic. How does the existence of having that physical characteristic make you feel? Your answer cannot include how comfortable physically the ownership of that characteristic (like if we’re talking something that causes physical discomfort like period cramps as example) is or an evaluation of how attractive or not to other people that characteristic is. It is not an evaluation of the individual nature of how yours compares to other people’s. The rubric is just its pure existence of that characteristic in isolation. What emotional reaction do you have to possessing that characteristic?

Cis people generally return an answer that those sex characteristics don’t really cause them to feel anything. They just have those things. Like they might have learned reactions to their characteristics if they don’t fit a beauty standard and are made to feel deficient by other people… But otherwise on their own those things don’t make them feel either happy or sad . The possession of those features have a neutral value.

They also don’t seem particularly attached to their innate characteristics in theoreticals. Ask them what they think it would be like to swap to the opposite sex phenotype and they don’t tend to report back any anticipated bodily sense of horror or loss. Most often they just display curiosity and a tabulation of things they would be able to suddenly experience or would change. More often than not their primary initial concern would be whether they would be attractive or not.

I think what makes most people cis is actually a lack of ability to care about which body phenotype they are riding around in. Their sex characteristics don’t actually mean anything to them on their own.

It’s pretty externalized. Saying or typing that women are “femoids” and talking about any guy who treats women like they as actual people as an inferior breed then your misogyny is fully flapping in the breeze with the rest of the dirty laundry.

Internalized implies that it’s at least one step removed from cartoonishly obvious levels.

It’s vaguely divisible between Incels, Men Rights Activists of the sort that like to complain to each other about how nobody cares instead of actually going out and doing activism and Pick Up artists.

Go figure the guys who treat women like they are sex vending machines who are the root of all societies ills aren’t popular with the ladies.

What?! But my Conspiracy Cube brings all the chicks to the yard!

After damn near a decade of discourse with cis people I think I have an insight into the problem.

We as trans people assume cis people have an internalized gender that matches their sex… But in talking with cis people I actually think it’s something else. I think the vast majority of cis people’s experience of gender only comes from external influences… I have met cis people who recognize what we’re talking about when I talk about this sort of internal compass that sends feedback completely isolate of any social influence but like it’s actually rare.

So we are in the unfortunate position of having to explain an internally experienced phenomenon that cis folk literally do not experience to a bunch of skeptical people who’s entire experience of gender is performance based… So they fill in the gaps with motives that makes sense to them that involve the nessisary involvement of some kind of external social or stimuli because they cannot conceptualize anything different while we have to render the problem using analogs cis people are likely to understand… But are also based off of externalized influences and thus completly imperfect.

Honestly depends on your state and institution and overall is incredibly vibes based. Like depending on the state the system might be on the hook to allow a bottom surgery… But whether or not you “fit the requirements” won’t be determined until after the fact. If the people running the system are anti-trans you will be lucky as a post op trans person to be allowed horomones at all. There’s documented situations of trans women basically entering a sort of menopausal state and having their horomones witheld indefinitely by wardens basically because there isn’t a lot of oversight or consequences for doing so.

It’s also taken as kind of a given that sexual assault of trans people is just a thing that is accepted as a cost of doing business. This is something actually that Trans men stuck in women’s prisons also report as a common experience. The system as it is designed raises the risk for a lot of trans women in prisons seeking transition because if you get bottom surgery and you are denied transfer your sexual assault chances skyrocket to “expectedly matter of course” .

So while the 15 people who have made it all are fully medically transitioned, fully sterilized and been on hrt for longer than the required time for athletes the answer regarding requirements is generally “at the pleasure of the administrations in question which is most often not at all”