A kid was arrested, but released pending further investigation, so I’m hard pressed to believe there is no punishment for this. But we’re talking about teenagers here, the fact that he could be punished is there, but was not given serious consideration if any at all…because he isn’t a fully mature adult. So what would a more serious punishment do?
This is something probably solved with education rather than more punishment.
The human mind doesn’t even really fully mature until your mid 20s. A 15 year old still has a good full decade until full maturity, and they are notorious for making impulsive decisions without realizing the consequences of their actions.
What he did was wrong and he deserves punishment, but ruining his life too for being a dumb teenager does nothing for the unimaginable harm caused to this girl, it just makes more victims.
I don’t know what the right answer is, but I can tell you the wrong answer is to ruin a teenagers life over a stupid act when that isn’t going to solve anything.
Ultimately I’m not sure where I fall on this issue, but the fact that you just mindlessly claimed that this person wants to see tits and clits, when they said nothing of the sort, just exposes how fully you realize you can’t defend an actual position.
You’re just mindlessly pigeonholing. You may be right, but it’s childish black and white thinking.
How is that cognitive dissonance? I don’t see it.
I agree, including Trump.
But this thread is full of people saying that they think he meant it literally and people believe it literally. And I think, although I could be wrong, that is what the top level commenter is getting at.
Someone missed a glowing opportunity. Lol
Can you actually find anyone who believes it literally? Honest question. I just watched the video, and it seems to me that he is saying it figuratively and not literally.
Our disagreement over whether chasing a fleeing person down and hitting them with a skateboard counts as aggression ultimately makes no difference to my point
The other poster implied that he just had a skateboard and flinched. I pointed out that it was more than that. You disagreed with my classification of it being aggressive, but ultimately agreed with my point that it was more than just a flinch. It wasn’t irrelevant, just your classification of it being aggressive was irrelevant. Which is what I already clearly said. Why grossly misconstrue it?
this sealioning you’re doing is extremely tedious.
Blatant projection because your posts have been peppered with questions, the last post you are responding to from me is just me restating my argument.
We had moved on to talk about whether or not defending people is aggression
Maybe you’ve moved on, certainly it appears you want to, but I’ve reiterated my point in each of these posts. To argue that I’ve moved on is patently incorrect.
Our disagreement over whether chasing a fleeing person down and hitting them with a skateboard counts as aggression ultimately makes no difference to my point: I’m not here to take sides and announce who was justified, but to point out that by blatantly misrepresenting what happened it makes it clear that the poster also isn’t really confident in their definitive conclusion.
I understand that, and I certainly did not say you do. I said you agreed with my ultimate point which I made clear. Why misrepresent what I said?
I’m just posting my opinion
I guess this is my issue, it’s a guess about the facts to justify an opinion, rather than an opinion about the facts.
You realize that you’re ultimately agreeing with my point: this is not some guy who just flinched, but as you are painting him some hero that chased down someone he thought was about to kill people.
You think he was justified, and maybe he was, but the top level commenter tried to paint this as some innocent person getting shot for not doing anything other than flinching, which grossly misrepresents what you and I both think happened.
Who said anything about anyone deserving to die? Certainly not me.
What’s the point of guessing like this then? I don’t get it
Except you are suggesting that the person with the skateboard was in the wrong.
No I’m not. I said what I said: he was not some person just holding a skate board who flinched, as painted, but an aggressor. Or are you arguing that charging someone and then hitting them with a skateboard is not aggressive?
how was he in the wrong?
Again, I did not say he was in the wrong. I just explicitly said I think he believes he was acting nobly.
Anyone can guess anything happened in the holes of our knowledge that confirms what we want to believe is true. How is your guess any better than the guess of some conservative who believes he was being attacked by criminals and had the right to defend himself?
The most prominent explanation being that he was stopping an active shooter. But even if we accept that story, it completely undercuts the effective argument of “but he just had a skateboard and flinched!”
I think everyone in this situation thought they were doing the noble thing. It’s just easier to process if we assume one person is a bad guy, and the other person was acting nobly and rationally in pursuit of some higher purpose, rather than accepting the messy truth.
Yeah, but she’s related to him and loves him because he is her son, and we hate him, so obviously she should suffer too. Justice and empathy? Fuck that. We’re outraged and out for some suffering.
Common or not, they did not make the argument. You presumed a position and then used that made up position to launch an ad hominem.