Wait until you find out about the Soviet nuclear bunker that had a bunch of cannibal ants.

And that researchers let them out to see what would happen.

My conclusion is that polish researchers need to read and watch more trashy sci-fi.

If you think the problems are bad… wait until you see their solutions!

And to clarify, that’s probably something they’ll figure out eventually- even if you say nothing and just get the cat.

As a side note, if these two are a bonded pair… take them together or wait for the right cat. Imagine being the one to break up Lucy and Ethyl or Butch and Sundance.

This is so fucking embarrassing.

And tacky as fuck.

Okay, since you’re unwilling to engage with reality and insist we’re in a courtroom…

I. Have a friend. He’s a big flying dildo. He says you fell into a state of self-hypnosis and that your experiences only felt real.

Prove my big flying dildo is not real.

Prove that your claim of supernatural entities is more real than mine, the BFD. Until you do, you have to accept my big flying dildo knows what he’s talking about.

Or you can just admit that science doesn’t accept claims that cannot be tested, and neither do courts for that matter.

season your meat.

it’s only been three days, and they’ve already invented film rights? wow, things are moving right a long!

Nope. I didn’t.

First off, a witness saying “i saw that man do that crime” is entirely different. the claims being made by the witness can be falsified. For example, by showing that the witness wasn’t in place to see the crime being committed, or that the accused wasn’t actually there. or maybe there’s security recordings showing the witness is reporting events leading up to and after the crime inaccurately.

Alternatively, the defense could demonstrate that the witness was tripping balls on shrooms; or is schizophrenic or otherwise experiencing hallucinations. Or the Defense could demonstrate that the witness in questions is lying about some aspect of the testimony being given.

It should be telling to you, that ‘divine revelation’ or mediums conveying messages from the dead, or any other witnesses reporting knowledge gained by supernatural means are basically never accepted as evidence to a US court. Historic examples of supernatural testimony being accepted have pretty much universally been demonstrated as a travesty against justice. The Salem Witch Trials, for example.

As for the topic at hand. We are not in a court of law.

before you can convince me that spirits came and talked to you… you first have to convince me that spirits actually exist. Saying, 'well, I know they exist because they talk to me"… raises the questions I’ve been trying to get you to consider for some time now.

Let me ask you this: have you considered the alternative explanations I suggested? that you are misunderstanding the nature of your experiences; and that the nature of your experiences stemmed from your subconscious extemporizing while you were in an altered state of consciousness, following your established cultural and spiritual beliefs?

For example, as demonstrated by Coren and Perschinger, who stimulated regions in the brain and replicated religious experiences; or in the same way that the cultural framework and spiritual beliefs guide trips while on psychedelic drugs?

your testimony is not testable. I cannot falsify it, and therefore it cannot be evidence. that is how science works. it requires tangible, observable evidence; and one would imagine that with all the people that believe in spirits, if there genuinely was tangible, observable evidence, it would have been found.

But without that evidence, I only have your word it’s true… and frankly, I don’t trust you.

If one used nails, it’d make them holey.

so all the other movies where all the action follows a set pattern… are not boring and depressing?

Which is not really evidence at all.

which brings us back to: you have no tangible evidence. every religion has people reporting broadly similar experiences.

For example, the Prince Philip Movement in Vanuatu. They report Prince Phillip appearing to them in dreams. Do you really think that Philip spoke to them in their dreams?

Without evidence, I have no more reason to believe some divine being is giving Mike Johnson orders than I do to believe spirits come talk to you while you meditate.

I do have some reason to believe that, during prayer/meditation/whatever you’ve entered into a state of altered consciousness and your perceptions are not grounded in reality.

For example, Michael Persinger’s “god helmet” experiments (in which they stimulated parts of the brain and induced euphoric visions of god,)

or the work of Newberg and d’Aquili who monitored brain activity of people praying or meditating (franciscan nuns and tibetan buddhists, in particular,) showing altered brain activity.

or Roland Griffiths who dosed people with psilocybin and achieved some of the same things, while doing similar neural imaging.

or the studies of near-death experiments which have more or less conclusively demonstrated those were not “real” experiences. (they brought things into the surgical theater and later asked them to recount what they saw. Including some studies where that was the the whole point- with instructions to ‘turn around’)

In short, if you have no tangible evidence of the spirit world (and you don’t,) then I have no reason to indulge it. anything that is claimed without evidence can be equally dismissed without evidence. and personally, I think anything claimed without evidence should be dismissed.

A fink is someone who is contemptible- usually a nark, and sometimes specifically a strikebreaking scab.

I think one of the reasons I liked Rogue One was that it’s “win condition” wasn’t “every one lived happily ever after”. although I will say, if you have enough time to find a beach and make out, you probably have enough tome to find a shuttle, or something.

(the other reason I liked Rogue One was Alan Tudyk as K2-S0)(okay, actually, that’s why I loved Rogue One. Sue me.)

So, going back to Mike Johnson, he’s a US lawmaker- the speaker of the house, and 3rd in line for what used to be one of the most powerful and influential positions in the world.

You don’t see the harm that he has voices in his head telling him he’s some kind of salvation figure (moses) liberating his people (evangelical christsians) from persecution (that isn’t happening.) making some very fucked up policies because of all the other shit the voices in his head are saying?

I prefer my policies set on evidence, not the internal monologue of a madman.

You’re welcome to believe what you want, but that doesn’t mean I have to indulge anything. And to be blunt, I have no more reason to believe spirits come and talk to you than Mike Johnson is sent by god. (even if I do wish he’d go wander the desert for a few decades.)

Because why should I?

People’s brains convincing them something stranger has happened isn’t actually all that strange.

Neither is people just making shit up.

Until I have a reason- tangible evidence- for a thing, I’m going to stay skeptical.

Edit: To put this another way, if I indulge this, then I’d have to also indulge Mike Johnson’s insistence god told him he’s the second coming of Moses. Do you see the harm there?

I hope you’ll forgive me being sceptical that “used these systems” is enough authority to be able to speak for every make and model on the market… I’ve also used a few CCTV systems over the years and they’ve all been absolute lowest-bidder no-name dogshit that were packed full of weird idiosyncrasies.

I encourage skepticism! yes, the software were developed by the lowest bidder and every single one of them all had weird shit slapped in that got in the way of core functionality. I suspect part of that weird shit was that they were trying to keep people from accessing the files without their software. (As if the DVR didn’t save it as h.264 or whatever.)

I’ve been in contract security for over a decade now- and my first post way back ages ago was “slow” to get rid of theirs in 06. (they had ordered their VHS’s in bulk so they wanted to go through them first. I think they cracked open the last pack around the time I was hired.)

I’ve used more systems than I care to count or name; and usually became “the guy” that knew how to actually get it to do “the thing”. The worst part of that is most of the people selling the software clients would go tits up in a few years, which gets sold to another dev what doesn’t bother to learn the lessons from last time anyways. They just wanted one thing from the code or they had an idiot project manager that thought starting from failed code would be a good way to go.

In any case, because of how the multiplexing VCRs worked, the video playback was always choppy. they’d record using NTSC or PAl at 30 or 25 fps; just like any standard VCR, except that each camera would record each frame in sequence. a 4-chanel (four cameras) would reduce the NTSC’s 30 FPS to 7. which looks like this. a 16 channel system would go down to 2 fps. Given the nature of the facility, I would assume they’re using 16x systems.

so, speaking as someone whose used these systems for decades, DVR files don’t work that way.

The old, old school multiplexing VCRs did, sure. Those were recording to VHS’s, and basically everyone swapped over by the early 2k’s. What’s hilarious is the reason. VHS tapes are expensive and wear out inside a few months- they’ve usually only got about six hours of recording, after which the rewind and overwrite. The high-end tapes purpose built for that might last four or five. back then, depending on how much data you had going, DVRs basically paid for themselves inside of a couple years (and the disks were expected to last a decade or so.)

In any case, modern DVRs have no gaps. They continuously record in a rolling loop- typically 7, 15, 30, or 90 days. The DVR is actually a server running on a network, and the server manages the data stream coming in, and maybe streaming to a client wherever the security office or whatever is. (or clients, even. It’s all just software on the user end.)

there might be a system with digital storage tapes, and not hard disks, but that’s really just a question of what digital media the data is stored on, and was relatively short lived. the digital tapes were used for very-large numbers of cameras.

For the record, the fact that we have a single camera that was released and not an array of cameras (or video cropped out looking like a blown up thumbnail,) is because it was a modern system.

there’s actually a lot of things I don’t get with the video, so yeah, I’m not really taking anything off the table or fixating. But there being more time removed/spliced just makes more sense.

But it almost certainly wasn’t a multiplexing VCR. For one thing, the video looks like a bog standard export from a DVR-based networked system. (Which uses client software to access a server to play back video records. VHS tapes got dumped back in the very-early 2k’s because everyone saw the writing on the wall. They only last a few months in a record-rewind loop- four at most, and only if you buy the really expensive kind.

Further the black shadowbox around it is from the way they exported it off a modern dvr- the client they used to export it from added it. (probably also added their own shitty player to the file. the player is basically windows media player but even more useless.)

which… really just makes this whole thing shockingly incompetent. But then, that’s the problem with conspiracies. It’s the details that bite you in the ass.

for the record, it’s probably not 20 goons. that’s a lot of mouths needing silencing.

The other thing is that halways was in view of the other cells. they wouldn’t necessarily be rushing; at least not more than what might be ‘normal’.

This whole thing gets back to, the more you try to cover something up, the harder it becomes to cover that something up. Mistakes happen. This video is probably a mistake.