Not sure on its head is accurate.

He is basically out right ignoring it’s existence.

And while Congress and the senate continue to allow it. Nothing will change.

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Yep. I’ve also been very pleased to share your views.

And am myself a little suspicious of both sides.

Where I disagree is ZS claims. Seem to have been concerned that power was being removed from membership before they had any options to stop it.

If that is true and she is honest. Then public ally and directly is the only way to prevent it.

But I Def think indicating the breakdown before potential members joined. Was important. She failed their.

Personally. And that is all we have.

I found all the comments opposed to ZS. To be worded in a way that made zero accusations.

IE intentionally worded in a way no court can actually claim they accused ZS of anything.

While ZS made some very clear and public accusations. Describing actions she very much will need to prove if other members challenge her.

It’s early so we may see more clearly worded comments from the other side once they agree on wording.

So far we really only have one side expressing views. So all below can only be based on that. But that side is not suggesting JC is the cause of these issues. Between the lines would indicate he is over trusting rather then your interpretation.

But if you read ZS letter. And the opinions of insiders working with her.

The issue looks more like JC is over friendly to others.

From that perspective. ZS and her supporters are accusing ex labour MPs and union officials. Of trying to take control of the conference before membership can gain a vote. Insiders are accusing a small group of trying to take PLP like control.

But a agree. Advisor or figurehead would be the best role.

With the mess that has happened. And the lefts willingness to reject. I think it may be over.

The right has always been willing to come together just to keep the left out.

We on the left tend to split or not vote. Over any idealistic difference. I’d be happy but surprised if this doesn’t kill of your party. Before a real name is selected.

But will leave my tiny monthly donations and membership until it’s dead. And hope for the best.

To be clear KS and her supporters inside the party. Confirmed she was forced to act. Due to ex Corbyn staffers seeking to gain control of the party and minimise the democratic nature.

Of course weather folks believe her. Or not is another issue. But if her staffs comments are true. It indicates similar infighting to when he lead labour.

More to the point. Making a cheap phone is not an affordable endeavour.

Linux phone makers such as pine have discovered this in the past. As your first products are going to be low demand. Running a business on the profit margins of lower priced phones becomes hard. It seriously limits your ability to gain investments. Making competition with similar priced products insanely complex.

Reading this. If the supporters of Sultana are honest. And so far they are the only side providing an opinion on the argument.

Then the actions indicated are totally against the ideas and values of membership control. Advertised on all the official sites and media shared by Your Party. Member Control is the one consistent promise.

It will be interesting to see exactly how JC and the other 4 MPs respond to the accusations.

As so far, legal action and denial of claims in a form that do not match those made. IE, a person has no access to funds. Rather than, is not working to gain control. Sounds like very careful legal wording.

I find it easy to imagine. (As suggested by some party insiders ) Some of the people who managed Corbyn affairs under labour. Are indeed working to take control of this party before members get control.

But that is opinions only.

Insiders have told the Guardian that allies of Corbyn have been asserting increasing control of the working group over financial and constitutional decisions, leaving Sultana pushing for a member-led structure. But others said Sultana had been on “wrecking manoeuvres” and “sought after nothing but power.

Real pity, I can’t see the Party surviving this. Or anything else winning the clear support it was winning.

NP

If you think the party is sticking to the name. You have failed to do the minimal research needed to express an opinion on the parties plans.

One at a time. Most will be guesses on my part. Based on ZS claims only. As the other MPs have not shared anything beyond claiming it’s unauthorised.

Weather you trust her is entirely up to you.

2 fees:

Under Corbyn Labour also had a cheaper membership option in theirs you could set your own price but the adviced £3pm. It was intended for unemployed or anyone short on cash. As such never had any rules or limitations to who was able to pay it. Or changes in membership rights.

It was removed after he resigned.

Seems likely this is the same thing. It’s just providing the cheapest option to join and a recommended one for those without fiscal issues.

Why a new site:

Her whole post covers this to some extent.

ZS claims she and JC agreed that until membership voting was implemented. All docs and agreements would only be released with both founders authority.

She did not auth the proposed roadmap. Due to background funding issues (accounts not owned by the party and controlled by 3rd party) and non democratic management.

ZS claims she was shut out of the accounts and control of the site. So she set up the membership site to garrentee a membership existed to vote on such thing. As the original founding rules indicated.

You really need to read her post to get more of these claims. But if true. Shit was questionable.

Publisising the internal conflict:

She has done so on the membership site. Posted an email to all members that signed up via her site. With a very detailed breakdown of her concerned,

The other side has (according to ZS) shut her out of the yourparty.uk mailing list. Before sending the routemap against the agreed rules.

(let’s go with OMP for Other MP party supports. We do not know JCs so letts assume just non founding MPs untill he comments)

The OMP have sent a letter indicating her site is not authed Vis the Yourparty.UK mailing list. ZS claims to have been locked out off. The new website and social media is the only place she can indicate her claims.

A statement from Zarah Sultana MP

Zarah Sultana MP

Posted in Announcements

I want to clarify the situation regarding the membership system for Your Party.

Neither of this week’s emails had the dual authorisation of both myself and Jeremy - which was the agreement made at the start of this process.

After being sidelined by the MPs named in today’s statement and effectively frozen out of the official accounts, I took the step of launching a membership portal so that supporters could continue to engage and organise. This was in line with the roadmap set out to members on Monday and is a safe, secure, legitimate portal for the party. Everyone who supports us should sign up now.

My sole motivation has been to safeguard the grassroots involvement that is essential to building this party.

Unfortunately, I have been subjected to what can only be described as a sexist boys’ club: I have been treated appallingly and excluded completely. They have refused to allow any other women with voting rights on the Working Group, blocking the gender-balanced committee that both Jeremy and I signed up to.

It is also important to be transparent about why this situation has arisen. I do not believe members will accept Karie Murphy and her associates having sole financial control of members’ money and sole constitutional control over our conference. This undermines the democratic principles we agreed to uphold.

From the outset, we agreed that MOU Operations Ltd - stewarded by Jamie Driscroll, Beth Winter and Andrew Feinstein - would hold and manage funds on behalf of members until the founding conference, at which point they would be transferred to a new entity established democratically. Every penny raised so far has gone to MOU Operations, and this continues to be the case within our new membership portal. This, to be clear, is members’ money - and our members must decide how it is spent.

This arrangement was designed to ensure transparency, accountability and protection against the concentration of financial control in the hands of any one person.

I regret that today’s statement has misrepresented the situation. My actions have been consistent with our shared commitment: to build an open, democratic and member-led organisation. I will continue to fight for a process where members’ money, data and voices are safeguarded, not centralised under the control of one individual.

I am calling on Jeremy to meet with me and agree to make public all agreed structures, processes and decision-making protocols. Doing this will restore hope for our members, and ensure nothing like this can ever happen again. This party is more important than any one person, and we all owe it to the movement to deliver a truly democratic and socialist party.

The democratic founding conference of this party will take place in late November.

I will keep fighting for a minimum programme for maximum democracy, you have my word.

No stitch-ups, no coronations: the members must decide.

Zarah Sultana MP

Member of Parliament for Coventry South

Sorry. My firstreply assumed you were on the original YourParty community post. Rather then the UK politics one, my fault entirely.

To sum up yep this has been discussed and I have posted a follow up explaining the situation.

It seems very much to be Z Sultana who has set up the membership site. And she makes clear claims as to why she chose to do so.

I’ll copy her post below.

Yes she openly states words to that effect in her post. She also makes claims as to why she felt it was nessesery.

The text of her mail to all members who joined via her site.

A statement from Zarah Sultana MP

Zarah Sultana MP

Posted in Announcements

I want to clarify the situation regarding the membership system for Your Party.

Neither of this week’s emails had the dual authorisation of both myself and Jeremy - which was the agreement made at the start of this process.

After being sidelined by the MPs named in today’s statement and effectively frozen out of the official accounts, I took the step of launching a membership portal so that supporters could continue to engage and organise. This was in line with the roadmap set out to members on Monday and is a safe, secure, legitimate portal for the party. Everyone who supports us should sign up now.

My sole motivation has been to safeguard the grassroots involvement that is essential to building this party.

Unfortunately, I have been subjected to what can only be described as a sexist boys’ club: I have been treated appallingly and excluded completely. They have refused to allow any other women with voting rights on the Working Group, blocking the gender-balanced committee that both Jeremy and I signed up to.

It is also important to be transparent about why this situation has arisen. I do not believe members will accept Karie Murphy and her associates having sole financial control of members’ money and sole constitutional control over our conference. This undermines the democratic principles we agreed to uphold.

From the outset, we agreed that MOU Operations Ltd - stewarded by Jamie Driscroll, Beth Winter and Andrew Feinstein - would hold and manage funds on behalf of members until the founding conference, at which point they would be transferred to a new entity established democratically. Every penny raised so far has gone to MOU Operations, and this continues to be the case within our new membership portal. This, to be clear, is members’ money - and our members must decide how it is spent.

This arrangement was designed to ensure transparency, accountability and protection against the concentration of financial control in the hands of any one person.

I regret that today’s statement has misrepresented the situation. My actions have been consistent with our shared commitment: to build an open, democratic and member-led organisation. I will continue to fight for a process where members’ money, data and voices are safeguarded, not centralised under the control of one individual.

I am calling on Jeremy to meet with me and agree to make public all agreed structures, processes and decision-making protocols. Doing this will restore hope for our members, and ensure nothing like this can ever happen again. This party is more important than any one person, and we all owe it to the movement to deliver a truly democratic and socialist party.

The democratic founding conference of this party will take place in late November.

I will keep fighting for a minimum programme for maximum democracy, you have my word.

No stitch-ups, no coronations: the members must decide.

Zarah Sultana MP

Member of Parliament for Coventry South

To clarify. Her claims indicate that the rules She and Jeremy agreed to, whan agreeing to found the party. Have been broken by other MPs in releasing the road map and shutting her and any other females out of the party management.

She claims Her and JC agreed no docs would be sent out without joint approval. And that the pre conference management of the party would be gender neutral.

jC has not as far as I know expressed an opinion on this claim. She is claiming to be trying to contact him.

Her accusations boils down to non founding MPs trying to take over the early set up of the party in a non democratic way.

To make it easier anyone who joined this way received the email below.

A statement from Zarah Sultana MP

Zarah Sultana MP

Posted in Announcements

I want to clarify the situation regarding the membership system for Your Party.

Neither of this week’s emails had the dual authorisation of both myself and Jeremy - which was the agreement made at the start of this process.

After being sidelined by the MPs named in today’s statement and effectively frozen out of the official accounts, I took the step of launching a membership portal so that supporters could continue to engage and organise. This was in line with the roadmap set out to members on Monday and is a safe, secure, legitimate portal for the party. Everyone who supports us should sign up now.

My sole motivation has been to safeguard the grassroots involvement that is essential to building this party.

Unfortunately, I have been subjected to what can only be described as a sexist boys’ club: I have been treated appallingly and excluded completely. They have refused to allow any other women with voting rights on the Working Group, blocking the gender-balanced committee that both Jeremy and I signed up to.

It is also important to be transparent about why this situation has arisen. I do not believe members will accept Karie Murphy and her associates having sole financial control of members’ money and sole constitutional control over our conference. This undermines the democratic principles we agreed to uphold.

From the outset, we agreed that MOU Operations Ltd - stewarded by Jamie Driscroll, Beth Winter and Andrew Feinstein - would hold and manage funds on behalf of members until the founding conference, at which point they would be transferred to a new entity established democratically. Every penny raised so far has gone to MOU Operations, and this continues to be the case within our new membership portal. This, to be clear, is members’ money - and our members must decide how it is spent.

This arrangement was designed to ensure transparency, accountability and protection against the concentration of financial control in the hands of any one person.

I regret that today’s statement has misrepresented the situation. My actions have been consistent with our shared commitment: to build an open, democratic and member-led organisation. I will continue to fight for a process where members’ money, data and voices are safeguarded, not centralised under the control of one individual.

I am calling on Jeremy to meet with me and agree to make public all agreed structures, processes and decision-making protocols. Doing this will restore hope for our members, and ensure nothing like this can ever happen again. This party is more important than any one person, and we all owe it to the movement to deliver a truly democratic and socialist party.

The democratic founding conference of this party will take place in late November.

I will keep fighting for a minimum programme for maximum democracy, you have my word.

No stitch-ups, no coronations: the members must decide.

Zarah Sultana MP

Member of Parliament for Coventry South

Agreed. ATM I trust her to ensure the party gets it. And to be honest. To move any memberships over if things change once any rows are settled.

Personally she is who id first vote to lead the party. With JC as a deputy

Here goes

A statement from Zarah Sultana MP

Zarah Sultana MP

Posted in Announcements

I want to clarify the situation regarding the membership system for Your Party.

Neither of this week’s emails had the dual authorisation of both myself and Jeremy - which was the agreement made at the start of this process.

After being sidelined by the MPs named in today’s statement and effectively frozen out of the official accounts, I took the step of launching a membership portal so that supporters could continue to engage and organise. This was in line with the roadmap set out to members on Monday and is a safe, secure, legitimate portal for the party. Everyone who supports us should sign up now.

My sole motivation has been to safeguard the grassroots involvement that is essential to building this party.

Unfortunately, I have been subjected to what can only be described as a sexist boys’ club: I have been treated appallingly and excluded completely. They have refused to allow any other women with voting rights on the Working Group, blocking the gender-balanced committee that both Jeremy and I signed up to.

It is also important to be transparent about why this situation has arisen. I do not believe members will accept Karie Murphy and her associates having sole financial control of members’ money and sole constitutional control over our conference. This undermines the democratic principles we agreed to uphold.

From the outset, we agreed that MOU Operations Ltd - stewarded by Jamie Driscroll, Beth Winter and Andrew Feinstein - would hold and manage funds on behalf of members until the founding conference, at which point they would be transferred to a new entity established democratically. Every penny raised so far has gone to MOU Operations, and this continues to be the case within our new membership portal. This, to be clear, is members’ money - and our members must decide how it is spent.

This arrangement was designed to ensure transparency, accountability and protection against the concentration of financial control in the hands of any one person.

I regret that today’s statement has misrepresented the situation. My actions have been consistent with our shared commitment: to build an open, democratic and member-led organisation. I will continue to fight for a process where members’ money, data and voices are safeguarded, not centralised under the control of one individual.

I am calling on Jeremy to meet with me and agree to make public all agreed structures, processes and decision-making protocols. Doing this will restore hope for our members, and ensure nothing like this can ever happen again. This party is more important than any one person, and we all owe it to the movement to deliver a truly democratic and socialist party.

The democratic founding conference of this party will take place in late November.

I will keep fighting for a minimum programme for maximum democracy, you have my word.

No stitch-ups, no coronations: the members must decide.

Zarah Sultana MP

Member of Parliament for Coventry South