Yeah well, no problem with steam proton games.

Now get the ones with kernel level anti cheat running (league for example)

Was a while ago, i think i did. All I know is I worked trough the whole doc to upgrade start to finish because I didn’t know which sections apply to me and which don’t, it was like ten hours of work trying t o understand everything which, holly shit, wasn’t easy and when I finally got completely through it didn’t work as expected.

Not that I think the docs were wrong, I am aware that I was the problem there, but it sometimes bothers me when people act like Linux is super easy and even grandma can understand and use it while I, the most techy persons in my peer group, give it my all and still dont even manage a simple upgrade, which would be absolutely no problem on the corporate OSs

Would be nice if it were just that easy, wouldn’t it?

Thats not what i experienced… Trying to run sketchup with wine, 3 days trial and error, doesn’t work even though winehq says its possible Using vive wireless? Not possible at all! or playing league, hard before vanguard, impossible after… Updating between major versions? Always breaks my setup and makes me start from scratch Using zoom for work with sharing desktop? Huge pita and u need to deepdive in Wayland to get I running (I didn’t so I switched back to x)! Install a non native daw like ableton and get it running without crashes and usable latency? Impossible! Using your rack audio interface? Not possible as there is no Linux driver and pipewire only recognizes half of the functions

I have a ryzen 5 12 core and a Vega 64, so hardware is decent and clearly not the problem here.

I am aware that those problems often stem from programs not being designed for Linux, not Linux itself being bad, but the effect is sadly the same: using halfbacked freeware or study IT to get it running, nothing apart from Mozilla “just works”

Havent brought myself to upgrade to 13 yet, but from 11 to 12 i followed to official guidlines, and when trying to reinstall my packages after kernel upgrade stuff got messed up. Packages didnt recognize their own config files anymore, wine completley behaved random, apt was flooded with error messages, the blzrry glassy Theme in I had in KDE plasma didn’t reinstall properly leaving my desktop looking horrible, half programs not working and some weird driver(?) behavior ( hanging Indefinitly when trying to shut down the system and stuff like that)

Maybe all would have been fixable for someone smart enough, for me it was easier to start again from scratch.

Not to say you are wrong in general, just a personal anecdote: i run Debian, everytime i need to upgrade from one major Version to the next I work for a day, dont get it done, cry, and then setup all my 3 PCs from scratch. (And NO a rolling release like arch or tumbleweed is not the solution, as I am not smart enough to manage different versions of dependencies and everything breaks at somepoint, Debian is at least stable between the major releases) My vive wireless will not work under Linux so I need to keep a dual boot windows on the workhorse which is difficult to maintain itself sometimes. And on my low spec PC audio is never synched with video and no matter what I do I don’t get it fixed

I love Linux for its philosophy and hate Microsoft for theirs, I will go back under no circumstances and agree that Linux gives better error messages and docs to fix things, but I never needed to do that with Microsoft. I never needed to open the registry apart from escaping out of box setup…

User experience for someone with high technical expectations for what should be possible (vr, games, hi-fi cinema, CAD, DAW) but only moderate technical skills (I can navigate GUIs and make basic use of the terminal (grep, nano, apt) but if I try to understand English primary source docs I don’t get it as after ~7 years of Linux I still only know about 30% of the necessary concepts and vocabulary just isn’t that good… Like, Damm, its hard for someone without any technical training who only has a few hours a month to work on his PC (meaning having time to fix and learn stuff, not just using the PC) to get the stuff done which is a no brainer on win

Any oppinions regarding librewolf vs ironfox?

I take green and Start with all weapons on earth. Imagine the redneck waking up with poop under their pillow, poop on their walls and whole cabinets filled with poop. Fkin hilarious

Indeed oh no

Architechts, motionless in white, rise against

----NEW UPDATE----

Quick Update: August 16, 2025 (nearly three months later)

Quick update

Hi all, sorry I went MIA, but ive been super busy. Not with this issue, but just with life in general.

So Kelly got married last weekend and everything went without a hitch. Our parents and Mike didnt even try to attend, but I know that Mum did try and contact her a few times before the wedding via other family member. Kelly wasnt interested and made that clear by not responding and/or threating the family member that they would be uninvited as well. That put an end to it.

Mike is still a drain on society according to a cousin of ours. I dont know first hand as ive not been in contact with him at all. Ive spoken to Mum and Dad once since the last post and they haven’t changed so I dont have the energy to deal with them. My kids dont miss them one bit either so its not been a problem keeping the kids away from them.

Right now, I’m just going to get on with my life with my husband and kids. Ive been talking to Kelly alot more since all of this which is a huge positive to come out of it.

Sorry that there were no dramatics, like Mike and our parents trying to storm the wedding, but everything went smoothly. Thanks for all the comments and advice in my previous posts.

Relevant / Top Comments

Commenter 1: I am delighted that everything went well for Kelly; she deserves it. But I’m dying to know what happens when life finally bitch slaps Mike and your parents. Your mum will crack first, but she won’t stand a chance against your dad and brother.

Keep a healthy distance and have a lovely, lovely life without them.

OOP: Im completely NC with them right now, but I find out little bits hear and there from other family members. Dad is adamant that I will come around and Mum is playing the sympathy card. I dont think they understand that they’re pushing me away even more by acting like they are. My life is so much simpler and less stressful without them in it.

Commenter 2: I’m so happy for Kelly and Jake! And your and your Big Shiny Spine standing up to your folks like that!!! So proud of you both putting up and holding firm to those boundaries. It’s hard. Really hard.

Commenter 3: You’ve done what you can, OP.

You’ve warned your parents about the consequences of enabling a manchild, but they didn’t listen. They doubled down.

Let them live with their own misery. You, Kelly, and your children are better off without them.

DO NOT COMMENT IN LINKED POSTS OR MESSAGE OOPs – BoRU Rule #7

THIS IS A REPOST SUB - I AM NOT OOP

May 18, 2025 (three days later)

Hi all, that post took off alot more than I thought it would. There was way too many comments for me to respond to, but I tried to read every one of them. I was asked for an update so here it is.

There were a few things that came up repeatedly so I’ll address them first. The “pranks” only started after I had left and gone to Uni. He would say things to Kelly and I would have a go back at him when we were younger, but it wasn’t anything more than that until after I’d left home so there wasn’t anything I could really do to stop it. I did speak to our parents, but they’re useless.

Second thing was about my kids. I didn’t bring my kids around them very much as they didn’t like going to my parents house. They said it was boring and they dont like Mike. However, after all the comments I got about this, I sat them down and asked them again. For my daughter it really is just that she finds it boring and says that Mike is a weirdo. My son however, said that he doesn’t like being around my dad as he keeps trying to make him play Rugby. I have heard these comments and told my dad to drop it, but he would still make the comments occasionally. I had no idea that it was upsetting my son though so this surprised me. My son doesn’t like sports, be it watching or playing. He’s very much like his dad in that regard. He’s a pokemon kid, playing online and goes every Thursday evening to play in a tournament at our local card shop, so Rugby is an absolute no go for him.

The third thing was about security at the wedding. I spoke to Kelly and Jake and Jake said that two of his groomsmen are police officers who are aware of the situation, so that wont be a problem.

Lastly there was alot of comments about Mike being the golden child. For a bit more back story, he wasn’t really the favourite until his talent in Rugby came to light. After that, he was special and had to be treated that way. I think he was seen as Mum and Dad’s way of being special themselves within the family as they had such a super talented child.

Anyway, today, I decided to sit down with my parents and tell them I needed a break from them. When I got there my dad immediately wanted me to apologise to my mum, but I said that wasn’t going to happen.

There was a bit of back and forth between him and I, until my mum stepped in and asked why I was there if not to apologise. I told them that I’d spoken to Kelly and she didn’t want them at the wedding at all. That they needed to stay away and respect her decision. They wern’t happy but said they wouldn’t go where they wernt wanted.

I then told them I wanted space until after the wedding as I couldn’t keep being around them and keeping my mouth shut. I thought that space would be good for all of us.

My mum wasn’t happy and started on about seeing my kids. I told them the truth, my kids hated coming to their house and told my dad exactly why my son doesn’t want to be around him. He got upset by this and said that rugby would be good for him. I shut that down and said I’m not going to force my son to do something he does want to and something I know he will hate. I also told him that if I hear him mention it around my son again then he wont see my son again. Right now they will only be seeing my kids at family events, so I’m hoping that it wont be a problem.

I then asked them what their long term plan was with Mike. Are they going to keep things the way they are until there 90 and mum will still be making his all his meals? What happens when they’re gone, who will look after him because it wont be me? What happens if they get ill? Who will look after them? Mike is incapable, Kelly lives down south and I plan on moving back to my husbands home town 3 hours away once the kids have left home, so I can’t do it. They just looked at me blankly. I really don’t think that they had ever even thought about any of that before. I told them they had set Mike up to fail and now they needed to deal with it. I also told them I knew that they were leaving everything to him in their will, but that with how they have babied Mike, he would blow through that money in less than a year and then what. I could see the panic in my mums eyes when I said that. She either hadn’t thought about it or she thought I would look after him, which she now knows isnt gonna happen. I also think she was shocked that I knew about their will.

After me telling them what low contact with me was going to look like going forward and them not being happy about it, I left. Hopefully I’ve given them a lot to think about.

I will check in with them from time to time, but that’s all right now. Im going to visit Kelly in the next couple of weeks, so I’m looking forward to that.

My extended family have also backed off after I sent them all a text saying if they were so concerned about my mum then they could be her support system and deal with Mike the same way Kelly and I have had to for years. Not surprisingly, none of them wanted too.

Otherwise, I’m going to just try and get on with things as normal. Thanks for the NTA verdict and all the advice, it opened my eyes to a few things that I’d been brushing off.

Relevant Comments

OOP on her parents’ finances and if Mike would get the house

OOP: My parents dont have much in savings so Mike will sell the house as quickly as possible, go into the cheapest rented accommodation he can find and blow the money on FIFA, nights out and clothes. He will be broke within a year. He racked up £5000 on credit cards with FIFA packs before, so most of the money will go there.

They don’t have much savings, but they have the house. They’ve said a few things through the years that indicated he will get that as me and Kelly have our own houses. Its something I accepted a long time ago.

How did OOP know about her parents’ wills?

OOP: It was an educated guess mostly. They have been hinting for years about myself and Kelly having houses so we don’t need theirs, but Mike doesn’t. They only really have the house, so it make sense that he would get it after the comments they’ve made.

Commenter 1: So I read your original post. Your brother pulled up your sister’s dress at a wedding? Like exposing her when she was 15 and he was 18-19!? Was he an adult for most of the torment!?

I don’t blame your children and anyone for not wanting to be near such a creep and I’m just sad your other family are cowards and never told off Mike and your parents for his behavior and their coddling.

OOP: The “pranks” started when he would have been 15ish. He was 19 when he pulled up her dress.

Commenter 2: Did I miss something in this or the original post? Is Mike disabled in some way? Why on earth would OP’s parents assume he’ll just keep living with them until they die and then need someone to look after him? Most parents with failure-to-launch children they keep sponsoring seem to assume that something will magically happen to make them grow up and act like functional adults any day now.

OOP: No, he isn’t disabled at all. My parents just keep saying hes finding himself.

Has Mike ever held a job before?

OOP: Yes, but none that have ever lasted more than 6 months. He gets one when he wants something expensive that our parents can’t afford, like a PS5 and when he has enough money for it then he quits, that’s if hes not already been fired.

He current doesn’t have a job and isnt looking. The longest hes had one was 6 months. She (OOP’s sister) said he’s weird because he spent do anything, just sits in his room playing video games.

Why is there a picture of an empty wall?

Dont try to explain that to a .ml! It will weaken their cozy black n white worldview and make them feel Bad!

And both are true… But people are to narrowminded their imperialsist country is also shit like any other

Says the tankie who refuses to see beyond the wall of Russian brainwashing

“Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land” -Karl Liebknecht.

True for both western and eastern country’s comrade ;)

Dont get fooled by the .ml brigade. The large majority of communists are not tankies simping for imperialist Russia but very aware that those imperialist powers need to be fought to establish a just society. We mostly just focus on the imperialist country we are living in

Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land (the main enemy is in ones own country) -Karl Liebknecht

Seldom Seen a profile so obviously alt troll account.

May try thinking?

Yes, this was it! Thanks :)

That what I’m going with now thanks for the suggestion :)