MudMan

Eden/Azahar seem to be the current meta replacement for the newer Nintendo platforms. I wonder how much of that is a crowdfunded assessment of quality and how much is a result of modern emu communities being driven by preinstalled bundles in launchers, handhelds and install scripts (think ES-DE standards or Retrodeck/Emudeck defaults).

Either way, hey, they work fine, so… yay?

OK, I’ll give you one more go around this loop because the self contradiction is too obvious and I want to see how you parse it, then I’m calling it.

So… why did you say “sounds big”?

Here:

What I’m seeing in this thread isn’t a technical objection so much as an emotional one: people who like inhalers don’t like that the impact, when expressed in familiar terms, sounds big.

Why do you think people are mad that the number “sounds big”?

Is the number big or small?

The headline makes it sound big, we both agree on that. A lot of the response is putting it in perspective: actually, 530000 cars is a small part of the new cars sold in one year (about 5%) and a tiny part of the total car pool (about 0.2%). So why does it sound big? If the implied comparison is with car emissions, shouldn’t it sound small?

The reality is the number isn’t big or small, it is some amount. And the study’s big takeaway isn’t that the emissions are big, so much as that, of the multiple models of inhalers one generates signficant emissions and others don’t, so the emissions from one type may be unnecessary.

So why does the headline make the number sound big?

You spend a lot of time setting arbitrary rules for what is or isn’t misleading, and all of that is entirely fallacious bullshit. Misleading means what it means, you don’t set the parameters for what is misleading.

But the interesting part is you accidentally, explicitly explained why the headline is misleading (i.e. it creates an emotional response about the scope of the problem that is disproportionate to its own unit of measurement, presumably to deliberately generate more engagement with the content). That is a technical objection, not to the number being reported but to how its being reported. It’s an objection on the headline writing technique, which is what people are complaining about.

Now, you won’t acknowledge this, because you’re in too deep and arguing with multiple people about this and you’re not going to just go “huh, I guess that’s a thing” and move on with your day, so there’ll be some mental gymnastics about it. But come on, you do get it, right? At this point it’s not that hard and you have implied that you get it already.

I nean… it’s a labelling thing, presumably. They don’t want milk substitutes to be labelled “milk” so they can’t advertise as easily as a milk substitute on supermarket shelves, and presumably the same is true for meat substitutes, except this goes at a glacial pace and they tried and failed in 2020 when it was still relevant and now they’re trying again even though nobody cares about veggie burgers anymore.

You are presuming this sort of arcane manipulation of collective weirdness into multinational legislation follows human logic, and that way lies madness. Best you can do is steer it ever so slightly so it at least does something in the aggregate that stops some anarchocapitalist loon from privatizing oxygen or whatever. It’s been a very weird century.

Look, like I said, it’s not you and it’s not about whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me.

I think at this point I’m just disappointed at the concept of social/user generated media as a whole. Straws and and camels and all that.

In that it’s mostly a merch ad hidden behind a clickbait title.

So I guess it’s a good test for that sort of “just read the headline” response.

It’s been a rough few days and I think I may be coming around. What hope is there to parse AI misinformation if people can’t parse a Reddit-like link aggregator?

I may be done with this place at this point. It’s just all bad. If not the whole Internet, certainly the whole of social media.

I did not remember that and I still remember “Los pollos hermanos”, so that tells you how weird that one is.

Also, this dogpile works better if you understand what you’re reading. The comedic effect bit was about the title of the thread, not about my own typo. Now you made it weird by trying to outpedant a pedant but not having the reading comprehension to pedant properly.

I am so furious with this at this point.

And the problem is, I also get what’s going on. You all feel cool and proud and self-actualized with the whole thing where you moved to Linux and whatnot. And you really, really, really want to tell somebody about it. I get it. It’s social media.

It’s fine the first few times, but it piles up after a while, you know? You can only have somebody veer sharply to the left towards “I use Linux, by the way” so many times.

Nobody asked if it was a dealbreaker for you. That didn’t happen. And even if someone did it’s not relevant to the conversation we’re having. We know.

Look, again, it’s not you. It’s just that hanging out around this place and trying to engage with the issues can get to be really weird after a while.

Goddamn it.

NOW it’s fixed. Two typos. It was two typos. Point stands.

I mean… no, mine’s a typo (fixed now, thanks for the poke), the other one is a deliberate spelling for comedic effect that accidentally uncovers an endless loop of abject multilingual terror.

This is a Gus Frink meme type of situation.

He also, incidentally, couldn’t speak Spanish for shit. That whole show was a nightmare. “Los Pollos Hermanos” as a phrase haunts me. I genuinely, and I’m not joking about this, sometimes find myself having intrusive thoughts about it after all this time.

Not really, it’s more of a farmer’s lobby protecting animal products from vegetarian alternatives.

Which as someone else says below is a bit neutral and doesn’t do much, but hey. They did it to milk.

Guessing it’s some bargaining chip with the industry on the wider legislation they’re passing? This stuff is pretty byzantine. European agricultural industries are constantly on the verge of setting stuff on fire. It’s a full time job to be even vaguely aware of what’s going on with them.

You’d be surprised. Spanish countries often dub movies, particularly back then.

But if you want to know what it felt like later in life I can help.

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The ouroboros of bad pronunciation the headline implies is throwing me for a massive loop.

I mean, you carry on with your American politics things, I just saw this on my feed and had an existential crisis.

I’m confused. What is “not accepting” a MS account to set up Windows? I mean, if you don’t have to use Windows and that is a dealbreaker for you, then great.

But if you need to use Windows and you want to… you know… work… around… having to be logged in, he’s suggesting a way to do that. That’s what we call in the business “a workaround”.

As I said elsewhere, I get that people want this to be a dealbreaker, or the suggestion to be a pointless defense because this is a Linux community and there is a cultural pressure to pretend that the account problem is a massive dealbreaker (as opposed to most normies just going with it, just like they do on their phones, which is what actually happens), but OSs aren’t football teams. You can both criticise MS for having an online activation requirement, rightfully so, and acknowledge a potentially useful mitigation for anybody who needs or wants to use the OS without being constantly logged in.

Hah. “Kid”, right.

First off, don’t be disrespectful to young people, some of them can make decent points sometimes.

But also, man, I wish. I was using DOS before this guy was working on it.

Man, I don’t really care what you think, but the way you can only parse this as taking sides or being personally attacked is… kinda not healthy?

Just maybe come back to it in a couple of days and give it some thought.

No, I have an issue with both him misrepresenting Mac OS and with you misrepresenting his point.

Because for the fifteenth time, what matters is what’s true. I’m not taking sides with you and assuming every fallacious argument you make is fine and every fallacious argument this guy makes is not, or viceversa. Your fallacies don’t justify his, and importantly, his don’t justify yours.

Look, at this point you’re being obtuse because egos and the Internet and whatever, so whatever, you do you. This conversation is deep into “I’m not mad, I’m disappointed” territory.

Yes. People have been correcting him on the Mac OS thing. Which you said was irrelevant several times.

I, remember, said it is not. Because again, this is not about what you like, it’s about what is true. Given what I’ve seen so far I’m assuming that a) his workaround is valid, and b) his statement that MacOS works the same way is not. I’m open to changing my mind on both of those because, one more time, it’s about what is true.

On that note, the breakdown of what is sent, how and when is absolutely dependent on your account login. If it was not then there would be nothing to complain about. That doesn’t mean they don’t send anything without an account (unless you’re not online at all, obviously), but the payload of information will be different and in some cases some calls may be dependent on you having an ID in the first place. Plus there’s the question of whether unsigned users leave any connection to the account that activated the Windows install. Which I don’t know about and you clearly don’t care about.

Oh, and… yeah, I would love to help Linux get more mainstream. If only egotistically, it’d be super nice if the parts of it that don’t work right for me due to missing drivers got more first party support, but having the underpinning of home computing software revolve around open source software? Yeah, I wanna help with that. I do agree with you that “I installed Linux for my grandma” is not “helping”, either, but I didn’t say I do that, either.

Nnno? To any of that?

I mean, he’s biased, you’re biased, whatever. The question is whether his information is accurate. Which I’m assuming it is. I haven’t tested it, but nobody seems to be disputing it. I’d personally like to know how much an activated Windows using an offline account phones home, if at all, and what data it shares and stores, but I’ve noticed nobody seems to care about the specifics of that in this fanboy flamewar, which is frustrating.

In any case, accurate information from biased sources is still accurate, and not sharing the same biases you have isn’t deception.

Also, nobody presents these workarounds as permanent anything, he hasn’t made that statement or even implied it. Most people sharing the previous workarounds actively warned that they seemed like an oversight and MS may patch them out at any point. Which they ended up doing.

Again, this seems like you equating caveats with dealbreakers for the sake of pushing an agenda. And as someone who uses both Windows and Linux on the daily I’m just gonna say you’re not helping. Misinformation makes people who notice it less likely to side with you and everybody here can notice it because we’re all tech savvy enough. I guess being the hardcore guy acting all uncompromising makes you feel cool or whatever, but it’s not doing much of use.

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I mean he used to work there, so yeah?

You saying the accuracy of the account requirement in MacOS is irrelevant makes me wonder if it is incorrect, because… well, no, it’s not irrelevant. I’d like to know. I mean, I will continue to use Windows because I need Windows things, but if I was in a position where I’m mad about this to the point of making me look for a clean break that would be a fairly relevant thing to know.

What I’m hearing here is that people are mad about what he’s saying, not because he’s wrong or because it’s not useful, but because this is a Linux community and people want this problem to be as big as possible to wield it as a dealbreaker to specifically promote the OS they like. Which is, I’m guessing, why you don’t sound stoked about MacOS not having the same issue?

Weird as it is to root for specific pieces of software, I also don’t find that particularly useful because, frankly, people using Windows already know how good or bad Windows is. Trying to overplay it is not particularly constructive to promote alternatives. You can acknowledge the ways in which people can work around annoying Windows stuff and still point out you don’t need any workarounds on Linux, if that’s what you want to do.

Yeeeeeah, the headline in isolation is a bit misleading and unfortunately this seems in line with some recent Nintendo moves where they go after people who slipped on something adjacent.

I have no idea how things work wherever this guy lives, but over here soliciting remuneration would be the difference between this being a problem or not.

That said, I still hope they lose this and I have so many serious questions about how Reddit wouldn’t be liable if the content is illegal and they didn’t do anything to moderate it. This is a weird one and it’s worth keeping an eye on, although I would imagine Nintendo is hoping the lawsuit itself acts as a deterrent regardless.