It does not though. I made a post the other day from the StarTrek.website instance and couldn’t figure out if nobody had upvoted or commented on it, then tried to look it up on my regular discuss.online instance where it didn’t exist, then went further to look it up on Lemmy.world (where the community is located) and saw that tens of people had. I wasn’t able to respond to any of those at first though, until it caught up on an instance where I already had an account (edit: except I could not do that from the StarTrek.website instance where I had made the post from, bc it hadn’t seen the comment yet even the next day - so I had to do it from a third instance involved in all this.)

And that wasn’t even the only time that very same day that I saw a post existing/not existing and/or having a different number of comments and differences in voting counts. Perhaps 0.19.6 will help with some of these issues, at least on Lemmy but then PieFed, Mbin, and eventually Sublinks are still going to have to figure things out on their own as well.

So I am glad that things are going well for you who I note is on Lemmy.world, but the rest of the Fediverse is definitely struggling, in part because rather than in spite of that centralization. Also I note that Lemmy.world federating smoothly within itself doesn’t even count in my book as “federation” at all! That’s just Reddit 2.0 with everything on a single server, with all the benefits and pitfalls which that entails.

More generally when the subject is man vs. bear, and someone chooses bear, it doesn’t help to simply laugh at those making that choice. Maybe we should listen, and maybe even expend efforts to make changes to become more welcoming for more people that would absolutely love to get off of the likes of Reddit, X, Threads, or Facebook?

That’s my 2¢ anyway.

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That’s very interesting, thank you for taking the time to explain!

Votes: yes I’ve noticed that a good deal of what I see has +1 vote added to it - including your comment here. In one case it was so deep and delivered within seconds before I saw it that it convinces me that it is due to a systemic bug. Also when I return to a page after making a comment, sometimes I see replies that I could swear that I had upvoted, but it does not show the green indicator for that, and it allows me to vote again. Fwiw, I have “vote privately” set to OFF.

Separately for voting, I would hope to see both up and downvotes displayed - I often have replies at “1”, and I have to go to the source Lemmy to get the information as to whether it is truly just unvoted on entirely or more likely it was a balance of +1 and -1, sometimes +2 and -2, and more rarely but definitely happens that sometimes it’s +3 and -3. Or other similar scenarios like +7 and -5, for a certain award-winning video I shared but that people did not universally seem to enjoy. The downvotes are still “information” and present a form of “active engagement” that merely showing the total score hides away.

Old posts: if I could suggest something, maybe it would be better to only “view” an older post - so like retrieve it only into a temporary location, and then discard later - without trying to retain it and present it to users as if it were really there. Perhaps that would increase consistency and therefore build more trust in the system, when information is not there sometimes and not there other times, but consistently absent always prior to a certain date and then afterwards always there and up to date. Though that seems to go beyond Lemmy’s functionality, and yet being better is the point:-).

Anyway, I hope this was interesting and it may help me work out the language on some of these issues before I post them in piefed_meta, so it’s definitely interesting and helpful for me:-).

Now to press the “Comment” button and hope that I don’t accidentally hit the Leave button instead, thereby discarding all that I typed as well as kicking me out of this community, as I did earlier today somewhere, whoopsie!:-)

Okay but… obligatory “gVim offers the best of both worlds by offering use of a mouse if you want it”. There are also native ports for Mac OSX and Windows, etc.

Vim, in contrast, is a command-line program, suited for e.g. working with a text file on a remote server that may not even be running an X-windows interface, or maybe the user simply did not bother to connect to it:-).

Okay, we may now proceed with the humorous jesting:-).

At least she merely skipped it, rather than unleashed a spread of unlimited photon torpedoes against it!

So aside from waiting for code changes, and pointing out some issues whenever I see them, do you have suggestions for things to do in the meantime?

One seems to be: don’t pull in posts manually like that - b/c for one thing, doing it that way means that the comments will never come. Then again, waiting for automated federation syncing seems unlikely to work either. Basically old posts are a lost cause at this point, without admin assistance? Also, I did not notice this at first, but the 3 posts that were already in that community prior to me pulling in the other 2 posts 2 days ago likewise have zero comments in them. Though newer - but not older - voting seems to be taking place, yet starting from a zeroed mark (at the time of the pull?) rather than the proper count on the original instance. e.g. the one by Blaze has 2 (is there a way to view this broken down by up & down separately?) rather than 43, and the dunk_tank one has zero rather than 13, and none of the other posts in that entire community show up. Also the ones that I pulled in have altered counts as well - e.g. the BonesOfTheMoon one now has -2, when the original instance displays -12.

To me this seems an argument to abolish the entire pulling in posts manually feature altogether, until and unless it is changed to pull it in “properly”, i.e. with all comments and vote counts intact. Otherwise, this is at minimum highly confusing to people and realistically it is even “misinformation”, is it not? e.g., in a hypothetical scenario, a post could have +1000 upvotes, but then someone pulls it in, and it receives 5 downvotes, making the total vote count as “-4” (since it would go through zero I would presume?), which would represent a fully qualitative rather than merely quantitative change in the presentation of such a post. +1000 minus 5 is a totally different “type” of change (barely noticable) than 0 minus 5 (finalizing at outright disliked, yet mostly ignored).

It would be better to have nothing at all than to present things in a confusing manner such as this. Ofc, this is not unique to PieFed - I see similar struggles on my own posts between StarTrek.website and Discuss.Online and Lemmy.World, with variations of vote counts and even number of contents - though the difference is that Lemmy eventually catches up, while it seems that you are saying that PieFed never will?

If space is the limiting issue, then delete everything after a cutoff like 6 months or a year. If network bandwidth is the issue then… I dunno about that, but that’s the task that must be worked out. Perhaps Lemmy’s upcoming update to 0.19.6 offering batch updates rather than sending each individual one alone will help? This isn’t a minor issue imho - this is the kind of stuff that will turn people away. Although if it is on the books to be worked on at a later time that’s understandable.

Thank you very much for the suggestion about Safari - I never use that browser, but that’s good to know. Fwiw, I also notice the same behavior on Firefox as on Chrome. And on Android Firefox I can go back just fine. So it’s not specific to Chrome, and I doubt it is fully specific to Mac though that could be the major one affected.

Btw Lemmy captures the back button properly when you have started to write a comment and it asks you if you are sure that you want to leave and thereby lose that. PieFed I suspect isn’t doing quite that but there may be something along the lines of where the focus is placed in order to provide the keyboard shortcuts, or something I dunno. I know basic syntax of HTML, CSS, and a tiny bit of JavaScript, plus Java, C++ and many other languages, but who can keep up with the modern web these days - it’s a shitstorm of everything affecting everything else, and even the browsers themselves seem to DGAF to make things “just work” anymore, even on Windows but all the more so everywhere else.:-(

One thing I would argue should be changed is that when making a reply, the Comment box should automatically receive focus. Eventually the entire process of making a comment should be made in-line so as not to disrupt the browsing experience, but that’s a small change that should be easy to make and would help. I will keep a list of small things like that in case such suggestions could help:-).

Oh wow yeah, I did not think about it but… perhaps this meme was too hopefully optimistic even?! Wow. :-|

That’s a really good illustration but also I wanted to point out that it’s not merely some people choosing to be exploitative - though there is no doubt that the likes of Zuckerberg and Bezos and the Musk are that way, ofc - but rather the system being geared to allow or even encourage thus.

e.g. Donald Trump failed at everything he did in life, and according to one analysis would have “made” 8x more money 💰 if he had simply left it in the bank 🤑 untouched by all his various bankruptcies, including somehow casinos that are basically money printers 🖨️.

They played the game sure, but someone made the game, and we all choose to watch it happen and do next to nothing about it.

Well hacqtually most Reddit mod hats seem to have a smaller brim, like so:

So this person might just be in a disguise of some sort! 😜

Maybe in the future, these memes might start to mean that it’s safe to go outside in such heat (reduced from the northern summertime)!

Live with their parents. It’s doable to “survive”, it’s just that someone cannot “thrive”, i.e. live the American Dream, or have health insurance, thus getting back to your point about survival, although that’s generally considered a separate thing than income, bc e.g. someone could be on their spouse’s health plan.

And then there are all sorts of tricks to go below minimum wage too… including having more black people locked up and working in for-profit prisons than were ever used as slaves; or Waffle House’s trick where someone only gets a base wage of like $3.25 an hour and then while the minimum $7.25 per hour is guaranteed, in order to get more than that they have to make up the difference with tips (on what is <$10 meals).

But how do you help people when (a) things like the electoral college and gerrymandering exist, (b) preachers say from the actual, literal pulpit that God commands to vote Republican, and (c) those areas vote conservative not only for themselves but also apply that to the nation at large, e.g. keeping Mitch McConnell in power, and making abortion illegal in those states.

TLDR: it’s how they choose to live. And they might be about to fight an actual civil war to extend those “rights” further.

Yeah, that does help - e.g. if people started defederating lemmy.ml, then all the Hexbear users that went there after being defederated from many popular instances would make alts on other platforms and it would be much harder to avoid their continual trolling:-).

And yes I’ve previously had several quite pleasant conversations with people from lemmy.ml, though I have now managed to leave them behind by moving to PieFed.social where I can block the entire instance. I will block many innocent users that way but… I am okay with that, compared to the alternative of having to put up with each new one that comes along and harasses people. Many people of conscience are fleeing that instance anyway, and the rest have most definitely been warned so it’s their choice, but I am not letting their recalcitrance dictate my own choices in turn:-).

Truth hurts.

Janeway hurts moar though:-D

Omg that is beautiful! Yes as you say that particular style of image was really hard to get working as Lemmy likewise struggled with it - perhaps you arrived at the same or similar solution, but even if yours is a totally different solution that’s awesome that you’ve already cracked it!:-)

I’ve been trying to keep a list of things I am experiencing, though some of it were things that I encountered on a smaller Lemmy instance as well, like delays in federation - e.g. I pulled in this post https://piefed.social/post/295422 but it shows (to me) as having zero comments, when in reality it should have 18. Though I am guessing that there is a quite good chance that it may catch up in the next day or two. I also tried to “leave” and then re-“join” some communities, in case that may help trigger the federation action to pull from the original host.

Hey I have a question that you may enjoy, and if not then that’s okay to tell me too:-). On a Mac desktop using Chrome, I cannot simply do the left-swipe to use the “back button” to return to a previous page. That works on Lemmy, but not PieFed. Although moving the mouse way up to the actual Back button works, as does keyboard shortcuts (command-leftarrow). And the same for right-swipe / Forward button. I am not sure if I am even using the correct terminology there but I hope that helps:-). It seems so silly, but since it is something that I may do tens of times each hour, possibly multiple times per minute at peak, I find that it really slows down the navigation. Is that something that others have mentioned and/or that could perhaps be fixed, or is this something too deeply ingrained in how the UI works? Making for a “smoother experience” seems like it would be a good thing if possible though.

And either way, I hope this conversation is interesting to you:-).

There was a great mini-series we had going on in Lemmy about this… I can’t find any of it now though. So this is the best I can do on short notice:

Edit: ooh, here’s one of them:

Unfortunately I cannot see my own image here:-(. There is no Preview functionality yet on PieFed, though I confirm that you can see it properly on Lemmy.World. So there are some kinks to be worked through… but yeah, maybe this doomed instance that looks at first like it’s behind Lemmy will pull through and ahead! :-)

Wait, let me get this straight.

First, you kill the person with the power, then you get the reward?

So let’s see, who - after killing Tuvix - has all the power now…, hrm… which one could it be…?