The US are trying it

No they fucking aren’t

There have been US attempts to do things in the Mideast that at least partially were genuine attempts to do good things. Usually they don’t turn out as anything good, because of massive structural issues both in the US armed forces and in the Mideast, so you could make the argument that we just shouldn’t do anything ever. Which it seems like you’re doing.

Our current type of involvement in the Israel / Palestine conflict is nothing resembling a benevolent attempt.

IDK why you assumed by “a separate military force” you assumed I meant US forces. I sort of agree with you that US military intervention would be unlikely to accomplish anything good (both because of the history and the low trust level they would receive, and because of the structural issues inherent in their priorities and behavior that have led to that low trust level).

IDK what form some kind of outside intervention could realistically take (I mean, aside from Iran deciding to blow up all Israel’s cities and everyone gets to see what happens next, that’s realistic on some level), but I wasn’t saying US.

Not only that, but FPTP mathematically will always pull the two parties to the center, a hair’s breadth apart from one another, because anyone who wanders off into “their” territory will start to lose elections because of it.

I mean… well, that’s how it works mathematically. It’s not even really applicable to modern US politics. What’s happening in modern US politics is that:

1. The voters are so addled by propaganda that they can’t even really tell what’s going on, and mostly make decisions based on pure engineered fantasy instead of based on anything that’s actually happening (“Immigration is a problem! Trump is going to fix that problem!” and similar beliefs)
2. Even through the fog of propaganda, there are some things that they’re able to figure out (health insurance companies are a massive problem and we shouldn’t let billionaires keep all of our work output while we’re struggling to pay rent and buy eggs). But, the people in Washington by and large don’t support fixing any of those things, because the people who pay their bills don’t agree with the obvious solutions that 85% of the people would support.
3. Party machinery and media monopolization (and now, social media propaganda) prevent anyone who’s invested in those popular things – the “center” that FPTP math would normally be pulling the politicians towards – from gaining any traction or being able to put anything better than a cruel caricature of it into practice (see also the ACA).

Basically, we fucked. But, if we someone managed to unfuck those massive problems, then we’d still be faced with FPTP pulling everyone to “the center.” But, on the other hand, “the center” would be way better than the current American system of one conservative party running against one openly fascist party and like 5-10 rabble-rousers on the left running around Washington and making noise about how really in a perfect world it shouldn’t be like that.

There are some fucking ridiculous people in these comments lol

It would be convenient to write them off as psyops

Fun, too.

, but the unfortunate truth is that there are people on our side of the political spectrum who have bad but sincerely-held beliefs too.

Completely agree. I actually think most people who say this are real people who believe it (whether or not they picked it up from Russia propaganda originally.) I’m just saying that I don’t think this blog in particular is some earnest person who just really feels strongly about NATO and BRICS, and also likes piping a very-sloppily-put-together script saying the same through an AI voice to create an overall vibe I would summarize as PREPARE TO RECEIVE MY POLITICAL VIEWS, FELLOW HUMAN.

Were you aware of this? I was not. Anyway, I edited the title; how’s that seem?

Definitely I recommend to host your instance outside of places with the shitty laws. Not sure how much that’ll do for you, but it’ll at least buy you some time.

Hm… maybe I am wrong. It’s definitely not just a conservative talking point, it was how historians looked at early modern cities for a while, I thought. But it seems like modern historians aren’t sure that’s the case:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2598176

With just a quick look around, I couldn’t find anything that seemed definitive in the other direction, but also, the little preview that shows of that paper seems like it does a pretty good job of saying “Yo the reasons they said this is true are incredibly weak when you dig into them.” So maybe it was just premodern science from the leeches-and-ECT days.

There’s also this. Deaths are exceeding births in almost half the US, now:

https://carsey.unh.edu/publication/deaths-exceeded-births-nearly-half-us-counties-last-year

(And, of course, it’s mostly in the rural areas)

Wait until it’s all gone…

Not just whales, not just corals, but whole jungles, whole biomes, whole fields of the crops we depend on to eat, just crumbled and dead, unable to breathe in the heat.

Silent dead forests, sterile anoxic oceans or ones choked with algae and muck, starving people in desperate mobs a million strong, with no one to bury them when they fall. Hurricanes and dust storms over abandoned cities. Whole species, whole categories of life that can’t survive the pace of change and harsh conditions that are coming. It’s not a movie, it’s not a story. There are people already alive today who will see it unless something massive changes. Probably even if it does.

What did you do? I didn’t do anything today to stop it. We should be.

The justification is “What the fuck are you going to do about it?”

The normal process is born out of an awareness that people can bite back sometimes, and so “they” will take seriously trying to justify their actions. After a while, things get quiescent, and some of “they” start fooling themselves that it is impossible that the people not on top would ever bite back, and they stop bothering themselves with worrying about it.

For some reason (as with pretty much any other “what the fuck are you doing to do about it” situation), when people do do something about it, it’s all of a sudden an outrageous betrayal, an offense against decency that no one could have seen coming.

This is the way it used to be. Cities didn’t used to be able to sustain themselves through the birthrate alone; they were so toxic and dangerous that they would eat the populations within them, and needed a continuous flow of people from the countryside to sustain the population. Who would then, as the years went by, get fed into the maw and replaced in their turn.

Doing the whole country that way hasn’t been tried before to my knowledge, but what the hell, we might as well be the first to give it a shot.

Sure

Like I say, other people might have other wordings or summaries. Honestly hair-splitting about it just pisses me off. A court proved that, by the normal-human definitions of these words, he’s guilty of rape. How’s that?

That’s not to mention the many, many allegations of rape, sexual assault, and child rape that other people have credibly raised. That’s just the time that it’s been proven in court with him having every opportunity to vigorously defend himself against the allegation, and failing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._Trump

renewing her claim of defamation and adding a claim of battery under the Adult Survivors Act, a New York law allowing sexual-assault victims to file civil suits beyond expired statutes of limitations

A jury verdict in May 2023 found Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming Carroll, and ordered him to pay US$5 million in damages.

Regarding the jury verdict, the judge asked the jury to find if the preponderance of the evidence suggested that Trump raped Carroll under New York’s narrow legal definition of rape at that time, denoting forcible penetration with the penis, as alleged by the plaintiff;[d] the jury did not find Trump liable for rape and instead found him liable for a lesser degree of sexual abuse. In July 2023, Judge Kaplan said that the verdict found that Trump had raped Carroll according to the common definition of the word, i.e. not necessarily implying penile penetration.[e] In August 2023, Kaplan dismissed a countersuit and wrote that Carroll’s accusation of rape is “substantially true”.

The official finding of the jury was that he was “liable” for sexual assault. The rest of it, I think pretty much speaks for itself. I would summarize that as him being proven in court to be guilty of rape, other people might have other wordings or summaries. Whatever.

The man don’tbe corporealanymore center

Sounds like someone needs a visit to the MDC

He was literally proven in court guilty of rape, in the defamation case.

My goodness, that’s a pretty bird.

OK, so Biden made things better across the board. he could have made some things even more better, but wasn’t able to. and he at least didn’t make anything worse.

is that an accurate summary of what you’re claiming?

Mostly. I wouldn’t agree with “he didn’t make anything worse,” because US immigration post-2001 is a terrifying hell run by horrible people, and it would be hard for anyone to lay hands on it in any way without making something worse in the process. But yes, aside from that, it’s accurate.

because if so, we need to get back to those details you claimed I don’t care about. the ones you’ve never actually responded to on their substance:

Because I’m not interested. I already laid out what I thought about this: Looking at the whole of his impact on immigration is a way better way to analyze his overall impact on immigration than extensive Lemmy bickering, and I think you’re focusing in on details as a way to distract from the idea of looking at the overall.

because if you actually read what I said, notice I phrased it as “you seem to be arguing”. that was intentional. I’m listening to what you’re saying, and trying to tell you “here’s what your argument is coming across as” because I do actually care whether I’m understanding you correctly or not.

Okay, fair enough. That previous paragraph is what I’m saying.

Honestly, it’s not a bad point.

“Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs.” -David Ben-Gurion

It needs to be some separate military force coming in from outside and making “both sides” behave. Primarily, the “both sides” of the Israelis since they’re doing the overwhelming majority of the killing. And then as if by magic I think you would see a lot more peaceful situation.

Enacting a Palestinian state with Israelis running around all over it taking farms or killing kids whenever they feel like won’t do a damn thing. It would be good for them to have representation on the world stage, that would come with recognition and would cast what the Israelis are doing in a somewhat different light, but just the state alone is not the pressing problem.