Grandpa, what did you do to fight the second wave of fascism?

I was deep in the trenches of Reddit in '24, then reassign to the federated trenches of Lemmy in '26. Your typical poster would hit a thread and see a wash of usernames. Me? I didn’t even see usernames. I’d go thread to thread day and night and all I’d see were Putin’s orcs and Xi’s brainwashed zombies. I got real good at spottin’m too. Your pops was a real sharp shooter. The amount of Z heads I sent packing back to the beet canning factory could have filled a stadium.

Oh yeah these are good.

Yeah I think that’s fair.

This book is so good please go download it. It’s free! I’ll update with a link when I can. E: LINK. In reading book two on Historical Materialism and it’s just as good.

I think what they are trying to say here is that historical fascist governments or military dictatorship’s would have simply massacred those standing in their way. This pushback in Minneapolis shows that they do not have the level of political capital to simply deal with the unrest.

Like, is this a Fascist Italy / Nazi German move here:

For all the shock and aw this fascist government has, it isn’t capable of overcoming these events. They do not have the level of control over the media or newspapers that historical fascist governments had. They don’t have the same level of control over labor they had. Nazi Germany would have literally reassigned your ass to another job in another industry across the country for getting in their way, or they would just kill you like they did the Communists.

Now this fascist government is doing the bare minimum PR deployment of cameras to their SS in an attempt to perform damage control.

I’m actually going to quote your comment and leave it from my account on news.abolish.capital so people see it when they see the story.

Yeah, I should have added my own commentary here, but you are 1000% correct. Marxist.com is, unfortunately, a Trotskyist international organization, so when I read these points, they were not shocking to me. I appreciate all the work the PSL does, and has been doing in organizing around MN, it’s been great to see. Not a lot of movement here in my state, but if anything, that makes me more interested to join the state’s party, since for all I know they need more people.

Is this the same platform that wasn’t open source, and also only on the iOS app store?

E: Actually, it looks like this might be different. Still very careless to have exposed peoples names, phone numbers and GPS locations, why was that information even required?

E2: Thinking about this, what are the requirements really? A group chat already provides a host of useful functions (as illustrated by MN organizers). The one thing you would want that a chat app can’t provide is plate tracking. One could imagine a federated plate tracking database being built with activity pub being useful but probably technical overkill.

Where are these “riots”?

But also, this is a retreat, do not see it any other way. Someone made it clear to Trump that if pressure continued at pace in MN these strikes could expand wider, or become multiday long. This to me is a clear signal that what the people of MN are doing is working, and they should keep doing it. That isn’t to say that I think the raids are going to stop, but I wouldn’t doubt they shift to odd hours, and attempt to avoid people as much as possible when doing so.

Thanks Socko!

I remember when my grandfather died we had an open casket and I overheard some of my relatives say that it didn’t even look like him. One made a crude joke that maybe it really wasn’t him. That’s the thing about dead bodies, they change enough that they start diverging from what the person looked like pretty quickly.

But can it run doom?

Idk where I’m going with this.

I totally understand what you’re getting at. You could watch this and think “LOL fucking lib” and then just dismiss it. It’s very similar to looking at this and thinking the exact same thing. What’s interesting is the comments in that thread compared to similar threads from about a year ago when the New Kings protests were popping off. When sorted by Top, the comments rank the sentiment by “we’ve all been cringe before becoming radical”, to “whatever gets libs to turn on ice”, to “fuck the constitution”. That’s the road liberals in MN on are in various ways. Direct contact with fascists is doing more than any amount of posting ever could, and it would seem, externally, people are more compassionate to people’s expressions of liberalism in direct response to this contact with fascists.

Like you said, people are going to arrive at their own criticism. People in MN are going to wonder WHY Democrats are voting to give ICE more money, and they will likely encounter people who will tell them they have to shut up and vote or else the Republicans will give them even MORE money. Positioning ourselves to on ramp those people getting attacked is correct. If our reaction was to dismiss people in the kind of limbo state TC seems to be in at the end of this video as “libs” then we miss out on the opportunity to push them in our direction, to build the bridge and help them walk across it.

This group that we’re talking about is standing at the edge of a river without a means to cross it. We can help them cross that river. None of us crossed it on our own, someone, even if it was some dead philosopher from the 1800s, helped us cross that river.

I mean, couldn’t this just be someone in the press pool? I haven’t listened to it with headphones. What I know is, this is not direct mic’d they’re capturing room audio here, which means they could be capturing the sound of anyone in that room, even someone from the press pool. So IDK, it stands to reason it could be anything.

Fair enough!

Yeah that’s interesting because I got the sense from the video is that he does support fundamentally restructuring society, but is also in this place where he has no other frame of reference as to what is to be done in order to actually do it. For example he basically advocated for turning 25% of Midwestern corn fields into solar farms. That’s not his actual solution but one that “by the numbers” simply “makes sense” and by extension building a fully renewable grid makes sense too. As is often the case with these videos though you never get the “how” part. Except, in this video he crashes out after the credits and you kind of do get the “how”, but its clearly muddy water for him at this point.

He seems to think the Democrats will get us there, that they were building this sustainable grid and that the Republicans were the road block. He also seems to think the Democrats are compromised by corporate interests. His support for them at the end of the video was not one of confidence but pure desperation. It was the plea of someone at the end of their political rope. It seems clear to me that the logic of liberalism isn’t working out for this “logic” YouTuber anymore, they might not have fully realized it yet.

So in most ways I think your right, though there is a chance that he could be pushed into a more radical direction as well.

Yeeeesss, Hank Green is an insidious liberal. I have no hope for him. You have a link to his knitting video?

But what if it was a service. Subreddit Simulator As A Service.

Either that or he does get it but is holding back to reach his audience. I think it’s not that though. It usually isn’t.