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  • The problem is the following:

    They are primarily classist in the more general sense. They believe that some class of people are above another class of people. E.g. rich above the poor, one race above the other, …

    They are both socio-economic classist and racist.

    Because they are both, their racism is trying to use their socio-economic classist ideas to justify their racism. E.g.: they might receive help from social programs but in their mind, they aren’t the lower class because the actual lower class of illegal aliens are stealing the jobs and resources that would allow them to take their rightful spot in a higher class. That is why they are concerned about e.g. taxing the rich.

    But both because reality is not their fantasy and because they believe that the system is somewhat merit based, they have to explain why these hardworking alliens are not climbing the socio-economic labber… so aliens have to be lazy!

    Consequently aliens are stealing the jobs, so the classist falls undeservingly to a lower class BUT they are also lazy to explain the lack of socio-economic growth for those aliens.

    Then those classist morons will get together to organise themselves. Obviously one of the leading notion is the lack of class for the members of the movement, as that is how they understand the world. And obviously the people within the movement with a higher socio-economic class have the opportunity to take advantage of their higher class and get power in the movement. If they are a little smart, they will point at the “lowest” class and blame them.

    Then we get movements like maga or the afd. Both state openly that they want to harm the lower classes (as they are supposedly lazy/criminal/evil). Obviously the classist, who obviously want to be a higher class, are fundamentally competitive to each other which destablize the movement. Alliances are built on utility. Once the higher class member are in the highest position, loyalty to others doesn’t provide added value but loyalty to the leader provides perceived value to the followers. Consequently the movement tries to help the higher classes instead of the lower classes that originally joined to get support to escape the unfair system that prevented them to reach a higher class.

    Ofc the higher ones in the movement are classists as well and look at the lower class members as little more valuable than the alliens and consequently they have no real interest in removing the aliens as they are cheaper labor which helps the elite.

    And that is why fundamentally racism movements tend to fail to actually do the racism in the way that the racist wants. And instead are primarily performative. And the movement is primarily classist and not racist, the poor racist are no different to the lower races for a rich racist. So the poor racist get fucked over too.

    And these racist idiots fall for the same scam again and again and again. They just don’t understand that the fundamental ideals of their moment causes them to be fucked over unless they are at the top. Metaphorically speaking, Racists join a MLM and believe they will be rich 1 day.

    Edit: I forgot to mention that these movements tend to be tribal and create additional classes like “rino” (Republican in name only), which pushes the movement away from their racist roots towards a more vague classist notion.

    AND I HAVE TO STRESS THEY ARE STILL RACIST AND THEY STILL HARM THOSE “RACES”. but not in the way, the majority of racist want them to.


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    2 days ago

    I would be on your side but…

    He might tried to pay for sex, we don’t know. She certainly posted what she posted. We can’t judge him as we know nothing. We can judge her for what she said. 2 people can be bad/good people while we only have data on 1 of them.

    The reason why some people aren’t happy with her post.

    I would never hype up a man

    Sounds a bit hostile. Like why go on a date with a man when your attitude is kind of hostile even while retelling the positive experience with that man?

    Then she “hypes him up” by pointing at the money that he spent on her. Nothing else.

    So she doesn’t want to hype a man but when he provide her with wealth.

    That is what she said.

    He might be a incel… who knows. We don’t and we don’t need to know to judge her.


  • Weird example but ok.

    And no, it is not only historical. I stated that in my original comment and I invite you to look at left wing politics but some “left wing” politician’s position on some random issue, but a widely supported position by the left wing community. You will see that they are all in opposition of hierarchy.

    But let’s take your weirdly racist example, where is the hierarchy?









  • Tartas1995toMicroblog Memes@lemmy.worldA logician among us
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    14 days ago

    I think the problem is the conversation is the following:

    The child appealed to their own expectations which probably can be reasonably linked to social tradition/expectations. While the child might be unaware of that, the woman certainly understands that.

    The child commits a fallacy. That fallacy might not appeal to nature but fundamentally works the same. It is pointing to an “Is” statement to infer an “ought” statement.

    The storyteller counters with an argument. That argument is also using an “is” statement to infer an “ought” statement. Whether or not, the intention is to show the flaw in the child’s reasoning; or to argue that hair is good there, can’t be known, as it is a casual retelling of a casual conversation.

    The dino makes an another argument. That highlights the problem with using “is” to infer “ought”. Pointing at the flaw in the storyteller’s argument. The big problem, Dino failed to consider that she might was doing the same thing in a way that a child understands it. That she might doesn’t think it was a good argument at all but a tool to point the child at the issue. So the storyteller’s real argument might was the same as dino’s.

    Consequently, I think you are right to say that the storyteller is required to said that her argument is trying to say hair should be there, to be at fault. But i think it would also be wrong to think dino tried to argue the hair shouldn’t be there, for the same reason. So basically people in the internet talking too casually to probably understand their positions and consequently you can’t have a meaningful conversation about it.





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    20 days ago

    Well, the bodyshaming is not limited to “morbidly obese” people. https://slrpnk.net/post/35736444

    But if you deal with a fascist and your insults of choice is about their appearance… wtf are you doing? There is not better insults for fascists? “Hahaha fat” is the choice? And “fat” jokes hit all “fat” people, not only the “morbidly obese”. Body dysmorphia is real. People with eating disorders tend to think that they are fat.

    Also I haven’t seen a lot of mocking of smokers but the number of smokers is going down… lack of mockery is no issue. People just want to be allowed to be cruel.

    And where is the mockery for joining ice? Or do we want them to get fit, instead of stop being part of ice?



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    21 days ago

    In my mind, I acknowledge that i only ever wanted to have sex with women. But i would be an idiot to make being straight part of my identity because if I would ever meet a man that I could and would love, I would just have made it more difficult for me to accept that and there is zero gain in identifying as straight. I don’t think we need to identify our sexuality, we just need to be willing to accept ourselves and go with the flow.

    Saying “I am 100% straight!” Seems to be a good way to have an identity crisis when you find someone attractive that doesn’t make you feel straight enough to accept it.


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    21 days ago

    You aren’t listening. The labour needs to be done. Who cares about money? When you are 80 yrs old, who will be your doctor? Who will work the fields for your food? Who will provide you any services? Any products? Anything?

    You will need young people and they don’t come from nowhere.



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    22 days ago

    Billionaires are the problem and we need children for e.g. pensions.

    The labour needs to be done.

    People without children aren’t the problem, or the enemy. But they can’t expect the same treatment as people with children. As people with children provide more to society.