You can both vote and organize. Why vote? The more fascist the government is the harder it is to organize. For only 15 minutes every 2 years, it’s actually a pretty powerful tool. It may not move things left but it slows down the fascism.

Thanks, yes, in this case I think it makes sense to vote third party.

Ah, I see, you have done the math. Ok, this is the only condition which I would consider voting 3rd party not morally dubious. Thanks!

All that hard work and compromise and yet, you can’t bring yourself to get your hands a little dirty by voting for the lesser evil. You are accelerating the rate at witch your friends die by police. For what reason?

That is because you are effectively throwing your vote away.

Or you don’t care or want to give the more evil of the two dominate parties a small advantage while telling yourself you are good. I guess you do you.

I think firewitch’s point was that third parties almost by definition have zero chance of getting a candidate elected in a first past the post system. This is pretty common knowledge.

Says the person who never has done evil ever. /s

My friend, I don’t know how you are still alive. The only action these days that doesn’t involve some kind of negative consequence is breathing air.

For the rest of us who actually do stuff, so you can whine at us from your computer, we make compromises all the time. That is life.

Prior to the second election of trump. I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

But as time goes on, it’s looking like we don’t have a democracy but a fascist dictatorship or oligarchy. In which case accelerationism may actually be the lesser evil.

Ok, that is fucking cool!

I don’t think that is what OP is referring to. I interpreted it as the strange measuring stick tankies use to compare the democrats and the republicans. Even accelerationists agree that the Republicans are way worse than the democrats.

Lately, they have been trying to tell me that North Korea is a democracy.

It is sad, but the DNC should never have run him for 2024.

There is probably also depression in there. It is pretty easy to get depressed when you have ADHD.

Just that I think it is a thing that should go away

I see, that was a poor wording choice on my part. I see now why I was getting some push back.

Thanks for showing that to me. I should have been more specific.

I’ve had a couple lemmy arguments where I missed a subtle point that the other person was making and mistook it for something else.

You just got to bite that bullet, I usually say: I’m sorry. I misread what you were saying. It’s my bad.

And then I continue on with any other disagreements I may have, but if there’s none then I usually end it with. Have a nice life.

The moment it is more about winning than it is about truth, the less interesting the conversation is to me.

I can’t tell if you are stupid, a troll, a transphobia, or being reflexively contrarian.

My point was never that gender shouldn’t exist. And I admitted from my first post that I am willing learn peoples pronouns and address them as such (the tax comment). Just that I think it is a thing that should go away 200 years from now or so.

I don’t see any point continuing this conversation with you. Have a nice life.

I am glad I went back to the basics.

Gender is more complex than a binary. It’s not an inate thing, but it’s also not entirely a social construct.

No! It is just a social construct and by saying that you made yourself a whole lot of transphobic friends.

What it means to present as a man/woman changes over time. So there is no way gender can be innate to people.

If gender were a pure social construct then they wouldn’t feel wrong with the gender assigned to them by society.

Gender dysphoria is real but that doesn’t make gender not a social construct. If you want to be a woman and women wear dresses, you will want to wear a dress. If women wear hoodies, then you want to wear hoodies.

I never said you needed to care, I said you needed to be polite if you make a mistake.

Ok, from now on, every time you call me “deaf_fish”, I will tut tut you as say I think you mean “deaf_fish who likes the C programming language”. If you don’t remember to address me as such I will feel bad and it won’t be very polite of you.

Edit: I have a question for you if English never had gendered pronouns, would you still be disagreeing with me?

But I am intending to be dismissive, because you are not putting forth any arguments.

Ok, lets go back to the basics. Is gender a social construct?

If you say it isn’t, then you are enforcing the Man/Woman duality of gender that is linked to sex. This is transphobic and not linked to any science.

If you say it is. Then gender has value only to people who care about it. Just like programming languages only have value to people who care about that.

So in a fair and just world, if you say, people need to care about the gender of another person, then equally they should care about the favorite programming language, and so on and so on with everyone’s thing. So my question is, ok, where does this end? What constitutes which things need to be acknowledged during a social interactions and which things don’t.

My argument, is you can strip it down to just a name. That is all you need. This is the ideal we should work towards.

Do we drop pronouns and genders today? No, I have never claimed that. I specifically stated in my first post like 200 years from now, when we are all dead.

I’m not invalidating it. You can have names for it. I don’t care. I just don’t want it to be socially required for me to know.

I don’t expect you to know what my favorite programming language is. So please don’t expect me to know what gender you are when it doesn’t matter for social interactions.

Yeah but I’m okay with names. I’m not okay with genders. At a bare minimum to interact with people in society, you need to know a name, some kind of identifier. If I knew of a way around that I would suggest it. However, interacting with people in society does not require knowing their gender. At least now it doesn’t require it as it’s pretty clear that gender is a made-up category.