Does this mean that when Israel dissolves and a primarily Arab state replaces it that I can go there and get married to a bloke without being stoned to death?
I don’t know if you’re right, but I already have registered for a new instance and will be deleting my account soon. And in my country, I would be considered to have very liberal views on the Middle East conflict… I’ve been called “loser” and “shit” and “horrible” and someone supporting “mass murder,” even after I said I support greater ICC funding for war crimes prosecutions. Not only am I done with this instance, but I won’t get involved in supporting the 2 state movement or ICC prosecutions or really doing anything to support causes to decrease Palestinian suffering. These people fucking hate me… there’s other movements to reduce suffering in the world that won’t hate me and other instances.
Keep making your movement smaller and smaller you smooth-brained fuckward. You think you help Palestinians this way? Real change comes by impacting center coalitions, not making your coalition smaller, but you are too stupid to see it.
I still support human rights. I still hope Palestinians suffer less. I do not have the emotional bandwidth to be a part of a movement (albeit in a more moderate capacity) if being insulted like this is the result. I am just going to learn more and put donations elsewhere, like to Sudan where there is also a genocide, because this movement has no room for me.
If you think I never cared about Palestinians, perhaps you are right and I am a horrible person, but even if I am too impure to care, the donations did go to people who did care. Comparing me to Trump supporters and Nazis is another insult. I was slowly learning more about the Palestinian situation online and trying to do the little I could to be supportive, but I hadn’t interacted with this movement that much and known about how insulting and mean they are to people who have slightly more moderate views.
Good luck in your struggle and I hope your movement can help Palestinians.
I’m not interested. With being called “loser” and one thing after the other by assholes on here, I don’t care. My political opinion is going from “I vote against people who don’t support Palestinians” to the movement is toxic and mean and I don’t give a fuck. Leave me the fuck alone. I’ll care about something else.
I’m not on reddit you dumbfuck. I am not “threatening” to kill myself. A close friend of mine committed suicide and I’ve been pretty bummed out since then. I have bought poison if I want to use it long before joining this instance. I mentioned this shit because some bitch is saying that I’m so scared of death, and that my arguments are about being scared of being hurt, and none of my arguments are about my own fear of death. Fuck you. You are all awful pieces of shit, fuck this instance, fuck this movement, I’m out. You should all say some more mean shit but say it to someone else. Fuck, if this is the toxic Pro-Palestinian environment, I don’t give a fuck anymore and I’m actually glad this was put to a vote because I didn’t know what terrible people you are. I don’t want to learn about this shit, donate to it, spend time on it. Have your moral high ground and condescending attitude, have your pure echo chamber. You’re actually assholes. I used to be against the conservative government in Israel… but now… I want nothing to do with any of this shit, I have no opinion on the Israel/Palestinian thing instead of being for ICC stuff, I am no longer someone who votes against people who don’t support Palestinians, seeing this side of the Palestinian movement and the meanness you all have shown me is fucking vile. I was a non-expert ally who was generally on the side of Palestinian people and believed they are being treated unfairly. Now, I want nothing to do with this shit. Suck my dick you piece of shit.
I am a poor depressed person with little power who has previously donated to Palestinian causes. If I am everything you are struggling against, you may want to re-calibrate your movement to actually impact power structures instead of struggling against some Nobody.
It’s okay, I think your comments are reasonable, and if the comments were just from you, I wouldn’t feel this way. The totality of this feels toxic to me, other people saying horrible stuff to me. I have good intentions, or want to have good intentions, and I feel like people are being super mean. I don’t have a thick skin. I can learn about other stuff. Sorry you wasted your time.
Also, to be clear, I am fairly depressed and am generally a fairly suicidal person and have felt that way for years. I am not afraid of my own murder or death.
I’ve donated money to organizations working on behalf of Palestinians, it wasn’t a huge impact, but it was technically not nothing… but you’re right… no one is going to miss me, no one will notice the donations going to Sudanese instead of Palestinians… I never had a mask on. This is who I am. I use Tor Browser. I have no reason to censor my thoughts, no motive to lie. This username “lefthandeddude” is not linked to me at all, not associated with me in any way, and not in search of of impressing others.
Keep making your movement more and more pure and smaller and smaller and alienating anyone impure… Maybe it will be an effective political strategy?
Like I said, after being called “horrible” and “shit” and in favor of mass murder, I’m not interested in learning more. There’s other conflict in society, other ways to try to make the world better. I’m leaving this instance and learning more about the genocide in Sudan. I’m not really willing to be an ally or learn more if this is how I’m treated. I still hope Palestinians are treated better by the world, but I’m out. This isn’t the only atrocity in the world, even if it is among the worst.
Growing the population is just kicking the can down the road because you can’t grow it forever anyway… We already have a over strained biosphere; pollution, resource depletion, climate change, accelerated species extinction etc
I don’t know enough to really have an opinion on what you said. I know the Zionist claim is that they previously lived in that area and were returning, so have a claim to the land. Fundamentally, it seems bizarre to me that anyone can have a claim on land in any permanent way, but also different cultures have such different values (like some cultures don’t want women to be able to read) that for now, the world being like this seems unfortunately necessary. Maybe in the future everyone will agree that women should be able to read, gays can marry, and people will all just be cool with each other and be able to go wherever they want.
It’s not mutually exclusive to want Palestinian rights and safety and a Palestinian place to exist (that isn’t subject to unreasonable restrictions) and to also want Israel to not be destroyed and to worry about the safety of Jewish people and to worry about the safety of LGBT people and to also want Israel to be run by much more liberal people and to also want Israel to adhere to international law and to also want ICC prosecutions and more Western countries to support the ICC and to also want ICC members and their families to be taken off blacklists.
I like the idea, but I don’t think it reflects the reality of how people feel. People want an echo chamber, and I am not interested in being where I am unwanted. It is what it is.
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