Ooof … I’ve heard him speak in an interview or two before … and for those who didn’t watch the video … he is clearly very uncomfortable answering those questions. His performance is basically cringe bad on a basic “be good at public speaking” level. Without knowing any of the details, you’d be fair in concluding that he’s hiding a bunch of shit.

just want to add some nuance to this.

All good and cheers!

But we just have these blunt tools and lots of fine granular tools that would be able to actually tackle the issues are missing on Lemmy.

Tools could always be better for sure! This is still beta software after all! And the fediverse ecosystem is still finding its feet.

That being said … isn’t subscribing to communities a pretty good tool already? I ask because it strikes me that many here might be talking about the “all” feed. If so, that’d be a case of people just not using the tools given to them (and also an abuse of this system frankly).

And I think we should revamp some other aspects too to foster good behaviour. I don’t see things change substancially, the way it is.

Think I’m totally with you there. The fediverse for me has been a bit of a let down in terms of how much it has just recreated big social platforms without more experimentation. It’s early days and all so I don’t want to be harsh on all the devs. They’ve done great things. But it does feel like some basic revamping could be quite nice.

Tankies are fascists.

From what I’ve seen around here, this just isn’t true and seems more like anything “extreme” and not somewhere closer to the middle is bad.

Defederation might be part of that

As you say, it’s a very blunt tool and likely only able to create more civil interactions by creating a fairly strong echo chamber.

My perspective on “defederation” conversations, hinted at in my comment above, is that it’s a new “tool”, a new phenomenon etc. Nothing like it existed on reddit for example. And so it’s natural that there will be “unwise”, premature and overzealous calls to use it as though it’s the solution to many of our social media problems, when in reality it’s a relatively subtle tool best used in concert with active and relatively sophisticated community building and organising.

Which all makes sense to me. But what’s a little sad I think is that we have here a pretty good compromise between “absolute free speech is bad” and “censorship is bad” for social media, and instead of embracing it as an ideology we’ve gotten some loud voices eager to use it as a territorial weapon for drawing boundaries around spaces for everyone else without, AFAICT, much the same in the way of actually building spaces that suit people’s needs (though that happens too of course).

If one wants or needs a space that is shut off completely from what one would call “extreme” politics, that’s totally fine. Doesn’t mean all of lemmy world and half or more of the communities on lemmy should be cut off in a big “us and them” statement. Instead … you probably need an instance that caters to that world view. You may need to try to start organising it yourself if it doesn’t exist. Except, that’s harder than posting a “lets defederate” post.

I’ll add to hendrik’s sibling post … it seems you’re relatively new to the fediverse. You may want to get a feel for the place before advocating for such wide reaching actions.

I’m all for expressing your feelings on an issue, but I do wonder if your eagerness is a bit premature. I myself “called for” defederation early in my time on the fediverse … and it was dumb of me.

Since then I’ve come to view most arguments around the idea of defederation suspiciously. There’s usually a bit of personal drama or a shallow opinion or people who want to loudly voice opinions without wanting to put work into making this place better. Usually, if defederation is actually needed, the admins will know before you do and it will be obvious.

All that being said … I’d ask you … what do you think federation and decentralisation is for?

It’s called a federation. Its design is intended to give people options. To provide a diverse network of content that people can navigate as they see fit.

The internet can naturally do a bad job of facilitating good and robust conversations.

Federation is the only cure I’ve seen for social media … where separate but connected and navigable spaces can co-exist, enabling a discourse through contrasting biases and perspectives, for those willing to use the content that way.

Can’t stand a community or instance? Don’t subscribe. Or unsubscribe or block.

Instance defederation is an extreme action and requires extreme justification IMO. It reduces the size of the network and the value of the ecosystem. Especially for lemmy world’s size … it has a responsibility to support the network.

What some loud people find unacceptable is likely interesting to some quiet others.

Differing political “sides” or perspectives isn’t enough. Politics isn’t everything for everyone. Moreover, it’s exactly the domain in which a diverse array of content is most valuable and important … because no one has all the answers!

I mean it’s very dangerous and touchy for white people, like myself, to weigh in on topics like these for sure.

I was just sharing what I’d heard from other BIPOC on what seemed a meaningful point … that, apparently, someone more in tune with slavery descendant culture would have gotten behind a woman of colour in a heart beat.

FWIW, as a white person, that makes total sense, and I’m not sure to whom it wouldn’t make sense and be the obvious move. And yet Obama seems to have been the one person out of step. Dunno how else to think about it.

As for racism, as see the point as only highlighting that such a culturally white person was likely always going to be the first black US president.

Oh I’m sure. Still seems like he missed the cue that everyone else hit on time.

So, what you’d say if I’m literally just echoing what I’ve seen other BIPOC people say?

Generally the way they interact with the pet. Do they have empathy and respect for the pet or do they expect it to be and do what they want. You can usually pick up on this pretty quickly.

Trumpism at its “finest”. Still, Obama’s call for an open convention does open exactly this kind of attack. I’ve certainly BIPOC talk about it as a typically “not really culturally BIPOC” move from Obama that betrays his predominantly white cultural upbringing. Sometimes unity is better than whatever else you have in mind.

I’m curious if you have any well formed thoughts on what the integration with group/community based platforms could look like?

AFAICT, the integration with microblogging is that actions/reviews get posted or cross posted to your main microblogging account (thanks to the nice sign-in implementation they have). And, presumably, posts/actions get federated too, by user presumably.

There isn’t any group based federation AFAICT, but it seems like an interesting possibility.

My quick thoughts (not being really familiar with neoDB):

• Cross posting could simply done to ones community of choice (any movies community on lemmy for instance)
• Any item could be a group/community with any action or review a post to that community
• Grouping could be more fuzzy and user driven, with items being “posts” and reviews/comments being comments to those posts

Great pic … exactly the night feeling vibes!

Ha yea … his “cover” of blackbird was probably one of my favourite internet moments!

From the image … I’m not sure that’s such a great predictor. Over all of the time from the debate it seems like the “market” was leaning “yes” for most of the time, until about the time basically all of the mainstream media was pretty certain it was going to happen (where it seemed pretty clear that plenty of leaks were occurring).

I mean maybe this reflects the actual reality and it was in the air this much … but either way I don’t think this “market” knew more than the mainstream media was telling us.

well the central site of the web ring could be searched for any particular page that’s part of the ring, and that search could be surfaced on any page that’s part of the ring.

The full set of pages could be decentralised and cached across all members for robustness, and even include each page’s own description and recommendations for every other page if they like.

And then, of course … rings of webrings with as many levels of aggregation as people are interested in maintaining, again with decentralised caches of pages, their links and descriptions (all human curated of course) that can all be searched whenever a member page or aggregating page opts into it.

Tech capabilities have advanced since the 90s enough now that basic text search in a web page over a small data set is not hard or too much to ask.

And nested rings of rings of rings are scalable because at each level the data will just be links (and descriptions or names if available) while it would be on the user to navigate the various layers however they wish until they find something they’re interested in.

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Sorry … I don’t know what that is

I mean, the search doesn’t have to be centralised at all … basic search facilities could include the text search in the browser for any page, but made more user friendly and just for the webring you’re navigating or something.