Alright, I think I may have found my solution.

• The crash only occurs on desktop environments that use x11, it does not occur on DEs that use Wayland.
• The only DE that uses Wayland that Pop officially supports (that I can tell at least) is “Pop (on Wayland),” which is GNOME.
• GNOME doesn’t look or feel familiar to me, Cinnamon does. I really like Cinnamon. But today I realized GNOME extensions can be used to make GNOME feel different, and are (at least so far) remarkably stable.
• By installing the extension manager, and then adding the extensions “Dash to Panel” and “ArcMenu” and tweaking them I’ve been able to achieve the look and feel that I was going for with Cinnamon, on a DE that doesn’t crash on suspend. (Note for anyone else that tries this: I had to disable the “Cosmic Dock” and “Pop COSMIC” extensions so things would play nice with the new extensions.)

So it’s a workaround. It’s essentially finding a way to make the “new” stuff feel like the old stuff, but as an added benefit, I get all the functionality that the new stuff offers.

So after installing it I see: nvidia-driver-550 is already the newest version (560.35.03-1pop0~1729800494~22.04~4a3cad6)

So 550 is there, but it’s using 560. I assume that means I need to purge all traces of 560 and 550 and then reinstall 550, unless I can specify somewhere to use 550.

However in software and updates there is no 550, only 560.

This is getting deep and complicated.

So I tried using the command in the snippet, and made sure that CC was capitalized, but the error log still says “You are using: cc (Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 11.4.0”

Going to the post that talks about changing your version of GCC it looks like my gcc might be pointing to the “11.4.0 cc”?

But when I run: sudo apt-get install gcc-4.3 gcc-4.4 g+±4.3 g+±4.4

I can’t find those packages. And when I run:

sudo update-alternatives --remove-all gcc sudo update-alternatives --remove-all g++

I find no alternatives. Sheesh. When I go this many layers deep I get worried that I’m going to potentially break something that will make bugtesting for other future things harder.

Finally got around to this. I tried installing while logged in, then realized I should Ctrl+Alt+F2 (or something) and stop gdm before installing.

I got an error message, there was an error while building kernel modules. Checking /var/log/nvidia-installer.log I think this is the culprit:

warning: the compiler differs from the one used to build the kernel The kernel was built by: x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-12 (Ubuntu 12.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 12.3.0 You are using: cc (Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 11.4.0

Warning: Compiler version check failed:

The major and minor number of the compiler used to compile the kernel:

x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-12 (Ubuntu 12.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 12.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38

does not match the compiler used here:

cc (Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 11.4.0 Copyright © 2021 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. It is recommended to set the CC environment variable to the compiler that was used to compile the kernel.

To skip the test and silence this warning message, set the IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH environment variable to “1”. However, mixing compiler versions between the kernel and kernel modules can result in subtle bugs that are difficult to diagnose.

So I’m using 11.4.0 instead of 12.3.0? Not sure what that number is. Both kernels are based on Ubuntu 22.04. I’m starting to think if I really want cinnamon I should use a distro that was made for cinnamon, like Mint.

I haven’t compared, I was just happy to get to the main menu with a respectable FPS. What’s the standard way to view your performance these days? MangoHUD? Does that work on windows?

Metaphor ReFantazio isn’t on GoG.

Baldur’s Gate 3, which I mentioned in my other post, is. I am running the GoG version of that game. I’ll do GoG any chance I get.

Hey thank you! I’ll give this a shot tomorrow. I think my install uses GDM, not light-dm? I have Cinnamon but not Cinnamon Wayland in my list.

But I’ll try the 550 drivers for sure!

I would have stuck with 470, but modern games need the 500 drivers. I couldn’t get Metaphor ReFantazio working on 470, and I couldn’t get the latest Baldur’s Gate 3 patch working without updating either.

470 is from 3 years ago at this point. There were going to be more problems moving forward if I didn’t update.

Ok, so switching to Pop on Wayland works. I didn’t mention this in my original post, but I’ve been running Pop on Cinnamon. So I either need to get comfortable with Pop’s DE or figure out if this is a cinnamon issue.

Previously I had an issue with fullscreen games having weird lag issues on Wayland. Though… testing that out now, that seems to no longer be an issue.

After trying this for a few minutes, I really don’t like how slow the dock shows itself when I hover near the bottom of the screen, and i don’t like how the application bar adds visual noise to the top of the screen. To me, it makes more sense for the two bars to be united as one like in cinnamon. :/

Out of curiosity, I wonder if the crash occurs when I’m in Pop x11, or if this is a cinnamon-specific bug.

EDIT: The crash occurs on Pop’s default DE on X11, and cinnamon on X11, but not Pop on Wayland.

Oh man, so Pop!_OS has a “pop shop” where it officially supports 470 and 560. 550 isn’t on there so, while I could try it, I wouldn’t expect it to work.

In “Software and Updates” I have options for the “NVIDIA driver metapackages” for 390, 470, and 560. 560 is currently selected. I also have the NVIDIA server driver metapackage for 535, so I could try that. It would be newer than 470 but not as current as 560.

But since the chances this would fix it are already low (and 560 drivers fixed my other issues), I’m hesitant to try unless I exhaust every other option.

Do you mean switching from x11 to wayland?

Upgrading my graphics drivers from 470 to 560 did the trick! 560 is the latest officially supported by System76/PopOS (and is the latest option in my pop shop.)

And that fixed my issue with Baldur’s Gate 3 getting stuck on the loading screen at 100%! Two problems solved for the price of one!

I had an issue before where on 560 my computer wouldn’t wake from sleep mode and would just crash. I never upgraded because if that, as I sleep my computer daily. I’ll have to see if that issue persists now or was patched out.

Thank you so much!

EDIT: For anyone who may know anything about the crashing-from-suspend issue, I’m asking for help here.

No, not FOCK, I said FACK.

Yeah that looks better! Ty.

Who is this wise sage, Devo? Are they internet search, wait the 80’s band with the construction helmets?

Whip it? Whip it good??

Usually, yes.

I can attest that not/postponing having kids drastically reduces the number of responsibilities. Many of my friends had kids younger and are in drastically different scenarios than I am.

They probably have some “dirt” on Kamala and they’re waiting until the last minute to release it, so they can “but her emails” again.

Man, I never figured out the root word for today’s featured panagram. Oof.

Blossom Puzzle, October 13 Letters: C E F D I R T My score: 283 points My longest word: 9 letters 💐 🌻 🌺 🏵 💮 🌼 🌸 🌹 🌷

I love when the puzzle has “ING” in there. So many options.

Blossom Puzzle, October 12 Letters: C G H A I N T My score: 334 points My longest word: 9 letters 🌺 🌹 🌼 💐 🏵 🌷 🌻 🌸 💮

Getting 300 is hard, and the mega boss is 350+? That’s crazy!

Blossom Puzzle, October 10 Letters: E L P A R S Y My score: 318 points My longest word: 9 letters 🌼 🌷 💮 🌻 🌺 🏵 🌸 💐 🌹