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Cake day: October 21st, 2023

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  • I give you a report

    You linked to an article which I looked at. It in turn linked to a 128 page report which I did not read because it does not have a Gaza section - and Gazan conditions leading up to Oct 7 was what you were responding to. I didn’t have time today to read the whole thing just in case.

    Gaza was not anything like an “open air prison” until 2007 when Egypt closed the Southern Border shortly after Hamas took over: that was not Israel’s fault. Water supply issues in Gaza are caused by Hamas who boasted in a 2021 propaganda video showing themselves digging up water pipes to turn them into missiles. From 2014 to 2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza which could have been used to build civilian infrastructure but Hamas preferred to spend it militarily on its stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Jews “from the river to the sea”.

    The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.

    the article cites no examples of mistreatment of Arabs in Israel?

    The article. Not the report.

    Israel performed “massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians”

    In Israel is was what you were meant to be responding to. There are plenty of Palestinians with citizenship in Israel. I think the West Bank settlement expansion is unjust but that is not the topic here.

    you are completely determined to wash over the sins of a government

    Nope I was trying to stick to the topic of BBC going against their own government’s designation of Hamas as terrorists. You would rather talk about wider issues, so…

    Both sides are “losing the war”: Back in December there was a great prescient article criticising Israel and a companion article criticising Hamas.

    Very few ProPals seem to do balance whereas plenty of people who try to understand Israel’s difficulty (in avoiding being wiped out by Hamas) do criticise Israel.

    Netanyahu’s Likud party only won 11% of the vote and it took 5 attempts at a working coalition for them to resume power in the last election. There were two arrest warrants against him for corruption and over 100,000 citizens protested against the government changing the law to allow them to override their equivalent of a constitution.


  • Your link is to Amnesty — one of the many “human rights” organizations unwittingly supporting terrorists who hijack and abuse our good-will and free speech in the West.

    Read about Akhmed Chatayev. Arrested in Sweden with guns and explosives. Arrested in Ukraine with terrorist material. Arrested in Georgia for participating in a terrorist attack (Lopota incident). Arrested at the Bulgaria/Turkey border. Amnesty basically bailed him out. He’s the mastermind of the ISIS attack on the Istanbul airport (almost 50 dead). Luckily Georgian police eventually killed him in the end.


  • The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.

    Arabs in Israel are equal in law to Jews (except for military conscription). Arab LBTQI+ find refuge in Israel. Arab women and schoolgirls in Gaza have to wear a hijab but not the Arabs in Israel (where they can even dance if they like).

    the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.

    this is an outright lie.

    Just because some people use hyperbole like “world’s largest outdoor prison” doesn’t make what I said a lie. Blame Egypt for controlling the Rafah border not Israel. They have seen what happened to Jordan and Lebanon when they allowed Palestinians in.