It’s very very simple: vegetables have carbs, you need vegetables (only way to get fibre, which is very important to gut health), thus the idea that carbs are bad is complete and utter lunacy. Even obligate carnivores will eat plant matter from time to time.
In general if someone tries to tell you a nutrient is objectively bad and can never be good or even acceptable, they’re delusional and/or trying to sell you something.
Sugar is the nutrient that is closest to being Bad, but there’s still nuance because it’s only bad if you eat large amounts of it and don’t burn the calories. People doing the Tour De France will literally suck on bags of sugar gel because they need pure energy that goes directly into their bloodstream.
Ok, let’s get into my social circle lunacy: one of my neighbors easily weighted like two grown men. Then he claims that through eating a protein-only diet, he halved that (one grown man weight unit).
He definitely looks much better, though I know people should eat their veggies, I can’t argue that his approach towards getting skinnier is not working.
He’ll eat a big boy’s steak and then leave everything else: tatoes, veggies, rice, bread, etc.
Ah, and he is still drinking coke (light, zero) as if it is the source of his lifeforce.
I’m still thinking that can’t be healthy, but he does look healthier in comparison to morbidly obese.
The only thing unhealthy in your neighbors diet is the sugar substitute in the coke zero. If he reduced his obesity down to a normal weight, his life has massively improved.
should eat their veggies
This is the party line, but its actually up for debate because the actual scientific literature doesn’t have evidence that this is necessary.
I’m still thinking that can’t be healthy, but he does look healthier in comparison to morbidly obese.
Carnivores (which it sounds like your neighbor is) tend to be very data focused, ask if he would share his health metrics with you (lipid panel, hba1c, etc)… When you look at those metrics you will have to decide what “healthy” means (what outcomes you care about)
sounds like they’re just eating less, which… yeah that do be how to lose weight.
he’s probably not having much fun on the toilet though, unless he’s also taking fibre supplements.
but yeah it’s not a good idea, you should be really really really careful about diets that have you eating the same thing often. Diversity in your diet is very important to make sure you get all the nutrients you need and in sensible amounts, as well as avoiding eating too much of any one thing which might cause problems.
Carbohydrates are unnecessary for human health, and while they can be a amazingly huge factor they are not the only factor in obesity.
Industrial oils
Processed Ingredients
Agrochemical contamination of grains
So a Italian dish made in Italy with real olive oil, with organic food not contaminated by pesticides, and not ultra processed could tolerated by a healthy person.
I’m not justifying carbohydrates, just illustrating that there are many overlapping negative factors working against people on the standard western diet.
My reading of the available literature doesn’t reach the same conclusion. The Mongols, the Inuit, the Masai are examples of populations that were healthy without any carbohydrates.
I’ll agree that vegetables can be part of a healthy lifestyle, but they are not necessary
Edit: Ah, downvoting everything I’ve posted concerning food in the last 15 days. A tirade of negativity doesn’t really communicate the strength of your position.
Might be worth mentioning that modern wheat and grains aren’t the same as older varieties that might’ve been consumed a century ago. Grains are also affected by the environment they were grown in. This paper touches on the topic and may be interesting reading:
what is unhealthy about pasta and pizza?
Honestly, I was told that carbs are bad.
yeah that’s nonsense, carbs are great
like, the alternative is only eating protein and fat, which… blergh
Y’all carb-opinionated people get down on a big powwow and decide what’s what, then please let me know kindly.
It’s very very simple: vegetables have carbs, you need vegetables (only way to get fibre, which is very important to gut health), thus the idea that carbs are bad is complete and utter lunacy. Even obligate carnivores will eat plant matter from time to time.
In general if someone tries to tell you a nutrient is objectively bad and can never be good or even acceptable, they’re delusional and/or trying to sell you something.
Sugar is the nutrient that is closest to being Bad, but there’s still nuance because it’s only bad if you eat large amounts of it and don’t burn the calories. People doing the Tour De France will literally suck on bags of sugar gel because they need pure energy that goes directly into their bloodstream.
Ok, let’s get into my social circle lunacy: one of my neighbors easily weighted like two grown men. Then he claims that through eating a protein-only diet, he halved that (one grown man weight unit).
He definitely looks much better, though I know people should eat their veggies, I can’t argue that his approach towards getting skinnier is not working.
He’ll eat a big boy’s steak and then leave everything else: tatoes, veggies, rice, bread, etc. Ah, and he is still drinking coke (light, zero) as if it is the source of his lifeforce.
I’m still thinking that can’t be healthy, but he does look healthier in comparison to morbidly obese.
The only thing unhealthy in your neighbors diet is the sugar substitute in the coke zero. If he reduced his obesity down to a normal weight, his life has massively improved.
This is the party line, but its actually up for debate because the actual scientific literature doesn’t have evidence that this is necessary.
Carnivores (which it sounds like your neighbor is) tend to be very data focused, ask if he would share his health metrics with you (lipid panel, hba1c, etc)… When you look at those metrics you will have to decide what “healthy” means (what outcomes you care about)
Yep, he does use an app and all that jazz.
sounds like they’re just eating less, which… yeah that do be how to lose weight.
he’s probably not having much fun on the toilet though, unless he’s also taking fibre supplements.
but yeah it’s not a good idea, you should be really really really careful about diets that have you eating the same thing often. Diversity in your diet is very important to make sure you get all the nutrients you need and in sensible amounts, as well as avoiding eating too much of any one thing which might cause problems.
Carbohydrates are unnecessary for human health, and while they can be a amazingly huge factor they are not the only factor in obesity.
So a Italian dish made in Italy with real olive oil, with organic food not contaminated by pesticides, and not ultra processed could tolerated by a healthy person.
I’m not justifying carbohydrates, just illustrating that there are many overlapping negative factors working against people on the standard western diet.
all vegetables contain carbs, and you need vegetables to be healthy, thus you need carbs.
My reading of the available literature doesn’t reach the same conclusion. The Mongols, the Inuit, the Masai are examples of populations that were healthy without any carbohydrates.
I’ll agree that vegetables can be part of a healthy lifestyle, but they are not necessary
Edit: Ah, downvoting everything I’ve posted concerning food in the last 15 days. A tirade of negativity doesn’t really communicate the strength of your position.
negativity log
Might be worth mentioning that modern wheat and grains aren’t the same as older varieties that might’ve been consumed a century ago. Grains are also affected by the environment they were grown in. This paper touches on the topic and may be interesting reading:
Do ancient types of wheat have health benefits compared with modern bread wheat?