• CyberEgg
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    2 years ago

    No, the christian god its not just capable of changing things, it is omnipotent. That means it could change things without interfering with the free will.

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        2 years ago

        Yep, omnipotence is logically impossible. But try tell that a christian. That’s my point, the christian god is logically impossible.

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        2 years ago

        Strictly talking the logic of it, if you’re omnipotent, then you have the power do do anything, and that includes the power to do flagrantly self contradictory things, defy logic and still be logically consistent.

        The “if you’re omnipotent” part is a pretty big “if”, but it’s not inconsistent to say that “anything” includes the ridiculous.

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            2 years ago

            We’re discussing logical consequences of a thing, not if the thing is possible in the first place.
            You don’t have to talk logical consistency to rule out “all knowing and all powerful” if you’re just looking at how things work in reality.
            In reality, you can’t be all powerful or all knowing. Done, end of story. It’s impossible on the face of it.

            In the hypothetical where something can be all powerful, then the power to do whatever, even in a universe that behaves like ours does, is consistent.
            The power to do anything includes the absurd, inconsistent, and contradictory.

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        2 years ago

        To be fair, if he sets the board and knows the dice rolls he can create a universe that has both free will and only peeps that go to heaven.

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        2 years ago

        if he does ANYTHING to change our fate, he’s corrupting free will, which is supposed to be our greatest gift.

        Not really, unless you consider that every interaction with anything interferes or “corrupts” our free will. If I plan on playing a game, but a friend of mine says “dude, don’t, you’ll regret it, it fucking sucks”, and I decide to not play, did this friend corrupt my free will?

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      2 years ago

      Literally any plans, any kind of tweaks, no matter how small or how far in advance he’s playing it. If you alter events or shift things to your end goals, you have destroyed free will.