• @EmperorHenry
    link
    703 months ago

    It seems the solution is simple. Don’t use apple products anymore. Windows or linux.

    Unlike apple, there’s ways to make windows private and secure and most distros of linux are mostly private and mostly secure

    • danielbln
      link
      fedilink
      233 months ago

      Windows is the one where I need an account to install and that spies on me and throws ads in my face, that one?

      • @EmperorHenry
        link
        2
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        Like I said, there’s ways to make it private. And there’s ways to block the ads. There’s ways to use it without a Microsoft account too.

        Apple devices have a second network adapter to bypass your VPN and any adblocking software you have to serve you locally relevant ads.

          • @EmperorHenry
            link
            -73 months ago

            search results are always being tampered with. Which search engine did you use? They may have back-peddled on that due to security concerns…or maybe someone in the executive room has a soul and convinced the others not to do it.

            Or maybe they’re already doing it and there aren’t any apple users that know about it, because unlike windows and linux, you have no control and no way of getting control over your apple devices.

            • @brbposting@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              33 months ago

              I checked too. Can you use your engines to source the claim?

              It’s very interesting but I would’ve thought somebody would’ve Wiresharked it or seen the suspicious traffic hitting their router (perhaps).

      • @Quastamaza@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        13 months ago

        Last time I checked you could sign in without a Microsoft account by deliberately interrupting your internet connection while setting up Windows.

        • @viking@infosec.pub
          link
          fedilink
          23 months ago

          They even have an offline installer mode with local account only. Just need to download the correct image from the Microsoft server.

      • @brakenium@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        13 months ago

        You don’t need an account. De-bloating scripts take care of most other annoyances. You can fairly easily beat windows into submission

        • @Cypher@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          153 months ago

          You don’t need an account.

          Technically true but worthless to your average consumer. You need to interrupt the installation process, enter a command in a terminal after knowing how to access the terminal and then you can use a local account.

          This is worthless to your average person.

          The same argument applies when Linux neckbeards waddle out of a basement to declare something is simple; just open terminal and do Y.

          • @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            63 months ago

            The average consumer doesn’t know what NTFS or FAT32 is. I don’t think they’ll understand the privacy implications of Windows reporting.

          • @ColonelPanic@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            33 months ago

            Not tried in a while but it used to just be a case of leaving it disconnected from the net during setup.

            Failing that you can still sign up with a throwaway account and convert it to local in the options after installation iirc. It’s not ideal but it’s still something at least.

          • @EmperorHenry
            link
            -13 months ago

            your average consumer

            People aren’t “consumers” A consumer is a gaping maw that eats everything until there’s nothing left.

            People are people. They’re home users, they’re customers, they’re clients, they’re citizens, they’re legal residents. But they are not now or will they ever be “consumers”

    • Ziixe
      link
      fedilink
      173 months ago

      Too bad when more and more people buy Apple phones for some reason, well at least where I live (which is the poorer part of central Europe), I have no idea how people can spend this kind of money for a 4 or 5 year phone, when you can buy something more capable for the same money and you will actually know it will get supported with updates for more than 2 years

      Can’t wait for this to be more widespread in the future to the point iMessage will be the messaging standard

        • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          3
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          Yup, those status symbols are for poor and upper middle class people.

          • poor - a few nice things makes you appreciate them a lot
          • upper middle class - no need to save money on such things, so you get “the best” or whatever
          • rich - you get bespoke stuff, “designer” stuff is for plebs
          • middle class - “a few nice things” isn’t as good as “lots of pretty good things” and a funded retirement

          Source:

          • poor - my in-laws
          • upper middle class - DINKs I work with, wealthy neighbors
          • rich - movies
          • middle class - me
      • @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        93 months ago

        It’s mostly a moot point anyway. The vast majority of people who buy apple products “for some reason” will have no frame of reference or desire to learn what has changed as far as web apps are concerned.

        • Ziixe
          link
          fedilink
          13 months ago

          Except I live in central/eastern Europe and most of these people were android users

          It definitely is just a brand thing and the fact they maybe bought a shitty budget phone and then went straight for the iPhone 11s/12s and thought “this is so good and android sucks”, because that’s just the fact the price is 4 times higher compared to the old phone

          For example for the same price you can get a pixel 7 or an iPhone 12 (or an Samsung A54, S20 FE or a flip 3, which aren’t that great considering they are on sale currently, and I’m comparing this price to the normal prices of the other two), imo the pixel is a lot better value than the iPhone in that case

          Also the retailer in question is czc.cz, probably the best retailer in Czechia for tech because others just focus on appliances or aren’t as good (but tbh they do quite suck since they just for some reason have crazy prices or don’t have some things other retailers here and around the world have)

      • bitwolf
        link
        fedilink
        73 months ago

        What I always found odd is that many people will try Android. And at the first problem they’ll switch to iPhone.

        However the iPhone may demonstrate the same exact problem, among many more, yet they just deal with it anyway.

        • @towerful@programming.dev
          link
          fedilink
          43 months ago

          Probably because on Android there is likely a way to fix it, but it involves a bit of research and picking the best way.
          Whereas on iPhone, thats yhe wayvits intended to be so “suck it up”.
          Some people just dont want to have to deal with the choices

    • plz1
      link
      fedilink
      English
      103 months ago

      This topic is about mobile devices, not desktop. Last I checked, Windows and Linux aren’t mobile OS’s.

      • @sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        163 months ago

        Android is LTS kernel + Google patches. I know it’s not the flavor of Linux you are talking about, but most of my apps are side loaded via F-Droid and a few from Aurora as a Play store proxy on a de-Googled ROM (GrapheneOS). There is no walled garden here.

        • @Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          53 months ago

          The most relevant part to this discussion is that Android doesn’t restrict Web browsers. On Apple, all Web browsers, even Firefox, are nothing but reskins of Safari.

          So their restrictions on Web apps affects all Web browsers on IOS because they only allow their own html engine.

          It’s absolutely insane how far we have fallen from the 90’s. Back then MS got in trouble just for including a browser with the OS. Now Apple has the majority market share in the US and is allowed to not only to bundle their own browser, but doesn’t allow any other browser other than their own.

          • @harsh3466@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            33 months ago

            While you’re right about Android not restricting browsers, the context that is missing here is that the EU is (rightfully) forcing Apple to allow actual alternative web browsers/engines. In doing this, Apple is claiming that it’s too hard to support pwas while complying with the EU rulings.

            It’s utter bullshit, and pwas should continue to be supported in safari and other browsers on iOS, but Apple’s just gotta be a spiteful asshole while complying with the letter of the EU law.

            I live in the United States, currently use iOS devices, and regularly use pwas. It’s pretty unlikely my next phone will be an Apple device. I’ll probably end up with a pixel running Graphene.

        • Yup, and Linux specific devices: Purism Librem 5, Pinephone, and Pinephone Pro. I was hoping to replace my phone with one this year, but they’re not quite there yet for what I need, but I’ll probably get one anyway to mess around with.

      • bitwolf
        link
        fedilink
        13 months ago

        Maybe now, but Postmarket, Ubuntu phone, and Purism could be relevant in the future

    • @jonno
      link
      -93 months ago

      How is Windows ever an option? What a troll

      • bitwolf
        link
        fedilink
        23 months ago

        Although I agree with you it is not a good choice.

        Depending on your threat model it is acceptable. Everyone has different trade offs.

        • @viking@infosec.pub
          link
          fedilink
          23 months ago

          Not only about threat models, some software is simply available for Windows only. If you need it for work, you’re stuck, and that’s that.