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    They’ll just give ot away in the next debt ceiling “debate” so what’s the point of electing dems? It is hardly sending a rebuke to congress to elect one of the two parties. I would rather vote for an actual leftist that loses and causes the dems to lose too than vote for a dem and barley win. We don’t advance voting in dems that don’t represent us, but just represent Republicans not winning. Cia would kill them, but such is life.

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      I would rather vote for an actual leftist that loses and causes the dems to lose too than vote for a dem and barley win.

      A vote for a leftist with no chance to win is a vote for the conservatives. It sucks, but such is the nature of the two-party system.

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        Maybe if the dems never win the Republicans won’t have anyone else to blame anymore and they would lose popularity and we could get over them I’m twenty years instead of them gaining steam. Maybe. But climate change is gonna wreck havoc before we try anything other than weak resistance.

        Also funny enough my username is yours backwards. Lol

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          if the dems never win the Republicans won’t have anyone else to blame anymore

          I think you severely underestimate their ability to find scapegoats.

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              So your solution to the Dems occasionally enabling the Reps’ evil is to put the Reps in power so that they can enact their evil freely with no opposition at all? Sorry, but I’m not convinced by that logic.

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                You remind me of myself when I was younger. And I hope you are right.

                It’s not my job to hold Republicans to task. It’s republican voters that do that. It’s republican voters that you need to reach. And it is republican voters that you need to convince that this system isn’t working. At least with a real leftist party all of the “the LEFT!” Discourse won’t be about democrats anymore.

                Oh also good luck holding democrats to anything after voting for them.

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                  It’s not my job to hold Republicans to task. It’s republican voters that do that.

                  Oh also good luck holding democrats to anything after voting for them.

                  And you think Republicans are going to have any more success with their representatives? It is your job to hold Republicans to task, by voting someone else in. And there’s only one other party that has any chance of success at that.

                  At least with a real leftist party all of the “the LEFT!” Discourse won’t be about democrats anymore.

                  It’s already not really about them. The Dems do only a fraction of what the conservatives accuse them of. The whining about “the left” is going to be based on a persecution fetish fantasy completely divorced from reality regardless of whether the left in America is the Dems and/or some other party.

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                    And some people vote for Republicans only for a single issue, mostly guns. There suddenly being a pro gun, socially left party as an option would do more damage to the republican base than having another four years of Joe Biden. Honestly at this point I think we start a grass roots effort to elect Queen Latifah without her campaigning.

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      They’ll just give ot away in the next debt ceiling “debate”

      You mean like how they gave it away in the last one?

      Oh wait, Biden played the Republicans like a harpsichord last time they pulled that crap.

      Yeah, stuffing Congress full of actual leftists would be better, but let’s not pretend these Democrats are completely incompetent.

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        Well, if getting defence spending up 3%, capping all non-defence discretion spending, requiring an end date to student loan repayment holds, and actually getting money to the IRS so they can do their job is all Biden “playing him like a harpsichord”… really don’t want to see what him sucking up is like.

        Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/05/29/whats-in-the-debt-ceiling-deal-struck-by-biden-and-mccarthy.html

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          getting defence spending up 3%

          Somebody’s gotta do it, and I don’t see the rest of the civilized world chipping in.

          capping all non-defence discretion spending

          Yep, that’s what tends to happen when Americans vote Republican. Protip: don’t vote Republican.

          requiring an end date to student loan repayment holds

          A setback, nothing more. There have been headlines of further attempts to get student debt forgiven, and again, filling Congress with Democrats will get it done.

          actually getting money to the IRS so they can do their job

          Over the vigorous objections of Republican billionaires who desperately don’t want to get caught evading taxes. That’s a big deal.

          really don’t want to see what him sucking up is like.

          You already did see it, in 2017 through 2021. It, uh, was not good.

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            Two steps forward and two steps back until it’s your kids turn to pick up the mantle.

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      They passed it. And managed to (so far) preserve it, and look likely to keep on doing so to the best of their ability with the possible exception of a handful who are bought off. I’ll work to elect them because of that.