• Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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    9 months ago

    I heard this a lot. The reality is, if hamas surrender now, they will still be out there looking for hamas, because no one know how many hamas is out there, who is the hamas, or when will hamas strike.

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        9 months ago

        hamas brought this over their own people

        This started in 1917. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

        Then there was Nakba in 1948. Literally catastrophe. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nakba-palestine-catastrophe-explained

        Hamas was founded in 1988 and revised their charter in 2017. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

        nazis in Germany for example did the same

        Comparing a resistance movement against a colonizing occupier to the actions that two industrialized nations took against each other during wartime is not really the best way to frame this. If we look at the colonial expansion of the United States against the Native tribes and collectives that were already here, that had established their own system of governing based on mutual collaboration, it gives us a better perspective and context.

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        9 months ago

        You know, i don’t really wanna engage with these “they brought it upon themselves” argument, because it’s really just gonna spiral down into endless back and forth where the origin is only remotely resemble the issue today. To say palestinian deserve what they get because of Hamas is like saying Israeli deserve what they get because of Netanyahu.

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            9 months ago

            You didn’t explicitly say “deserving”, you’re implying. Heavily. There’s no strawman.

            Isolating this situation in such a narrow timeline doesn’t make it better either, it’s a very complex issue that need to have a clear separation between modern conflict and past. Which is why I don’t want to engage in discussing, people will either only isolate the whole situation to the current conflict or be very quickly point out the ancient history.