That was one of the more interesting SOTU addresses I’ve seen. Personally, I think he said most of the things that needed to be said, and he said them reasonably well. I’m sure he’s going to get some flack for attacking Trump directly (though not by name), but I was frankly glad to see it. Doing otherwise makes it seem like it’s just your typical election/political disagreements, but we’re past that now.

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    I’m not an American so I’m not invested in the same way, but if you don’t want Biden because of his actions with respect to the Gaza genocide can I ask about your thought process regarding what happens if he does not get in? If he loses the only possible winner is Trump because he is the Republican nominie, so is a vote not for Biden basically a vote for Trump? Or do you see it some other way?

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      You are about to discover that a good fraction of Americans will cut off their noses to spite their faces.

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          Me? No.

          The only impact this really has on me is seeing how everyone else reacts. My life was remarkably similar under Trump, Biden, and Obama.

          This is what losing feels like.

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            That’s the Republican way of thinking for sure. “Oh, it didn’t personally impact me? I don’t care.”

            You’re a fool if you think Trump would be anything but catastrophic for the world. Naive or a shill.

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              They’re saying there was no measurable change in their lives driven by political leadership in the last 16 years? They’re arguing in bad faith.

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              That’s the Republican way of thinking for sure. “Oh, it didn’t personally impact me? I don’t care.”

              You literally asked if it would be worse for me.

              You’re a fool if you think Trump would be anything but catastrophic for the world.

              Yeah, people said the same thing in 2016. Then the democrats nominated Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, guaranteeing a Trump victory.

              Just goes to show, Trump is preferable to a candidate who actually fights for commoners.

              This is what I mean by we’re losing no matter what. I don’t think you’re capable of understanding this, though.

              Sad how you feel justified in calling others ‘fools.’

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                I get you’re just a sad little loser and saying this dumb shit is just your way of getting attention from strangers on the internet.

                But on the tiny off chance you’re not a troll that knows how stupid your own argument is:

                Trump has literally said he will be a dictator from day one. He has already made 1 major attempt to end the Democratic process in the US. And has a several courts including the supreme Court stacked in his favour, given another 4 years that will only get worse and he has a much better chance this tike around of actually ending democracy in America. So even if you truly belive the stupid fucking opinion that Joe Biden is just as bad as Trump, taking the hit and voting for Biden this time means you can vote for someone else in 4 years time, so you have a chance to get a president that actually works for you. But if you don’t vote and Trump gets elected then there’s a good chance you never get a say in who is president ever again.

                Also you know your incredibly obvious fake concern over gaza is fucking disgusting btw. You’re genuinely a piece of shit.

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                  I get that you’re just having an instinctual response to someone who goes against your tribe.

                  I see it all the time and don’t expect more from you people.

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                    So you don’t have an actual response? You’re just going to retreat to your “hurr-durr-tribalism” any time someone actually challenges you?

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                Yeah, people said the same thing in 2016. Then the democrats nominated Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, guaranteeing a Trump victory.Just goes to show, Trump is preferable to a candidate who actually fights for commoners.

                No, it goes to show that a bunch of stupid assholes abstained from voting because both of the candidates sucked, and a bunch more stupid assholes who probably wouldn’t have voted decided to vote for Trump “for the lolz”. Bernie wouldn’t have beaten Trump in 2016. Biden wouldn’t have beaten Trump in 2016. And here you are with the benefits of hindsight, yet you’re still pushing the same agenda as 2016.

                Your stupid rhetoric will get Trump reelected.

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        What democratic country now or in history do you think has a party / candidate that represents every of their voter’s interests 100%? I mean you sound like you don’t understand what compromise is but that can’t be, right?

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          It doesn’t have to be 100%, lol.

          The problem is they don’t represent my interests at all. Their entire goal is just looking out for different rich people, which I do not support.

          I’m sorry this bothers you, but it’s purely because you’ve succumbed to tribalism and think everyone else should follow suit.

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            No no, I get it, you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and suffer from progressed main character syndrome.