• MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
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    9 months ago

    The “natural order” is limitted to communities of about 100150 individuals. It isn’t suitable to organize whole countries.

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      Also, a groups banding together to collectively overthrow a stronger opponent is natural. There’s a rule of never getting between a mother and her baby with many animals for a reason, even though most of us could probably take that baby.

      There’s personal benefit to dealing with those who abuse their powers (physical, social, or technological), even if those powers aren’t being directed at you.

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      9 months ago

      genuinely curious where you find that 100 individuals number? or how that applies if you are willing to share :)

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        They might be talking about the Monkeysphere - More professionally known as Dunbar’s Number

        Basically, there’s a finite number of people our brains evolved to be able to consider as part of ‘our group’, and once you go beyond that number you tend to run into issues ‘humanizing’ those people and seeing them as complex personalities.

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          9 months ago

          Exactly. I didn’t know that term but about all primitive communities consisted of about 100 to 150 individuals and trading with other communities. Kingdoms are something really new in evolutionary timespans, far newer than clothes, to which we already have slight adjustments in skin hair.

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          150 as the basic unit size of professional armies in Roman antiquity and in modern times since the 16th century

          as well as notions of appropriate company size.

          lol

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        Maybe Dunbar’s Number.

        Proponents assert that numbers larger than this generally require more restrictive rules, laws, and enforced norms to maintain a stable, cohesive group. It has been proposed to lie between 100 and 250, with a commonly used value of 150.