“Just use cli bro” yeah okay, yay might be less trouble, but I like being able to keyword-search the AUR and flatpak and stuff.

I moved from Manjaro linux(icky, run by libertarians I think, smelly) to EndeavourOS(based, presumably run by commies and anarchsists, sexy) for a bunch of reasons, like Endeavour runs really well even from an old hard drive, it’s a great OS. I kind of miss Pamac though.

From Mint to Manjaro I’ve always preferred the graphical program-installation way, which is probably windows brainworms that just won’t leave. Having to yay s and remember xfce4-sensors-plugin without typos is a lot more annoying than just punching “sensors” into a search bar, so Endeavour’s lack of a GUI installer is kind of troublesome to me. I tried just installing Pamac but it’s made by Manjaro devs and errors out with exit status 8 or 4 more than half the time. Instead of digging in my heels and yelling about wanting Pamac to work, what else can I use on Endeavour to achieve the same ends?

  • unperson [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    4·
    7 months ago
    yay xfce sensors

    3 aur/xfce4-sensors-plugin-nvidia-hddtemp_through_netcat-current 1.3.95-1 (+2 0.00) (Orphaned) 
    Sensors plugin for the Xfce panel with nvidia and hddtemp (through netcat) support
2 aur/xfce4-sensors-plugin-nvidia 1.4.4-2 (+26 0.00) 
    A lm_sensors plugin for the Xfce panel with nvidia gpu support
1 extra/xfce4-sensors-plugin 1.4.4-1 (198.8 KiB 808.5 KiB) [xfce4-goodies] 
    Sensors plugin for the Xfce panel
==> Packages to install (eg: 1 2 3, 1-3 or ^4)
==> 1
Sync Explicit (1): xfce4-sensors-plugin-1.4.4-1
[sudo] password for unperson: 
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (8) exo-4.18.0-1  garcon-4.18.2-1  libwnck3-43.0-3  libxfce4ui-4.18.6-1  libxfce4util-4.18.2-1  xfce4-panel-4.18.6-1
             xfconf-4.18.3-1  xfce4-sensors-plugin-1.4.4-1

Total Download Size:    2.66 MiB
Total Installed Size:  15.76 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
  • hello_hello [comrade/them]@hexbear.netMEnglish
    4·
    7 months ago

    I moved from Manjaro linux(icky, run by libertarians I think, smelly) to EndeavourOS(based, presumably run by commies and anarchsists, sexy) for a bunch of reasons, like Endeavour runs really well even from an old hard drive, it’s a great OS. I kind of miss Pamac though.

    EndeavorOS is a glorified graphical installer for Arch Linux with extra branding and pre-configured window managers. Manjaro is a project to convert Arch into a stable distribution rather than a rolling release one (which failed horribly along with incompetant maintainers)

    You should really just be using vanilla Arch linux instead of downstream forks. The appeal of these downstream forks was their graphical installer (usually in the form of Calamares) but arch linux now includes a program called archinstall in the installation media which does the same thing but better since it follows the arch linux KISS principle (keep it simple, stupid) that just installs what you need.

    That doesn’t mean you should reinstall your os or anything. But understand that downstream arch linux forks most of the time are just thin coats of paint over the actual work of the Arch linux. The appeal of these distros is long gone but their branding still persists to cover up the big bad and scary arch linux (which is a bad stereotype)

    • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      2·
      7 months ago

      I could give that a try I guess, last time I had an Arch install image it was all cli, very spooky. I’m not that computersmart but if Arch is dingusproof I’d try it.

      The main thing that keeps me from swapping all of my computers from Manjaro right away is working out kinks like audio input/output and DE shenanigans. Vanilla Arch though, curious…

      • hello_hello [comrade/them]@hexbear.netMEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        Arch is very dingusproof if you just read the archwiki from time to time. :) but if you don’t want to do that, then you shouldnt use arch. Not a judgement call, just reality. If you want the latest packages but a stable release then use fedora.

        Fun fact, the arch install media is copy-to-ram meaning that once you boot into it, it lives in memory instead of your usb drive. It’s actually more resistant to crashes than graphical install media like Manjaro and EOS where a jiggle of the usb stick can break ur entire install. It’s also a netinstaller so you don’t have to update your system after you’ve installed it.

        Archinstall is very customizable but you can always get best practices defaults if you go through each option as you would a graphical install (partitioning disks, choosing timezone, choosing arch mirror, picking desktop profile like kde, gnome, xfce etc.). I highly recommend you try it.

        • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          3·
          7 months ago

          Wow that sounds great actually. And one issue with Endeavour is the install image boots KDE by default, so it doesn’t run much if your system has 2GB RAM. I think I might, ty!

  • Shinji_Ikari [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    7 months ago

    I got spooked by all the aur installers having security issues(any aur installer pulls user written scripts that don’t have a little oversight).

    I know its the opposite of what you want, but seriously, its typically a 3-4 step process to get software from the Aur.

    1. Search “<some app> arch aur”
    2. find the aur link, check when it was last updated and the comments below to ensure there’s nothing glaringly bad
    3. copy the link by clicking it
    4. cd to your downloads folder

    4.a. git clone <aur link>

    4.b. cd <aur package>

    4.c. makepkg

    4.d. pacman -U <package>.tar.zst

    Obviously more than 4 steps, but half of those are clicking a link and going to a folder. the important steps are 4.x.

    IMO its worth the handful of extra steps because you genuinely cant trust these packages. If you want to update, go to the cloned dir, run git pull and repeat 4.c and 4.d and it will replace the other version, easily downgrade if you don’t delete the old .zst, etc.

  • callTheQuestion [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    7 months ago

    I moved from Manjaro linux(icky, run by libertarians I think, smelly) to EndeavourOS(based, presumably run by commies and anarchsists, sexy)

    I thought the same of Manjaro. What gives you your opinion of endeavor?

    I found this libre arch variant the other day https://www.parabola.nu. I’d never come across is before which kind of worries me.

    • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Mostly that’s a joke Idk who runs Endeavour, but at one point bear website recommended it so y’know.

      They say that Arch itself now has a nice graphical installer and so you should use that to set up vanilla Arch, and just skip the “Arch for dummies” distros since Arch is now sufficiently for dummies, I suppose.