Texas leads the charge

  • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
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    7 months ago

    you missed the word sometimes.

    Can you explain how referring to a human being as “an illegal” can ever not be derogatory? 🤔

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      7 months ago

      Easy it is a label to describe immigration status, like citizen, permanent resident, temporary nonimigrant workers (migrant),…

      Immigrating into a country illegally means that person is guess what an illegal immigrant or illegal for short. Your negative views of the word illegal don’t change their status.

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        7 months ago

        Easy it is a label to describe immigration status

        It isn’t being used that way (to describe a status). It is being used to describe a person as “illegal”.

        A person being documented or not by a group which claims political authority over a geographic area does not make that person illegal.

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          7 months ago

          It’s no different than calling a person a citizen. Your inability to understand the definition of illegal does not change its definition.

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            7 months ago

            It’s no different than calling a person a citizen.

            A citizen is a thing a person can be. It’s also a noun.
            “Illegal” is not a thing a person can be.

            Actions can be against laws but humans cannot.

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                7 months ago

                Undocumented people may immigrate in a way some people do not consider to be “legal” but they themselves are not illegal therefore “illegals” is a nonsense term.

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                    7 months ago

                    My truck is blue, I call it blue. Is blue a nonsense term?

                    Using an adjective as an adjective is a nonsense argument for asserting “using an adjective as a noun to refer to people is not dehumanizing”.

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          7 months ago

          Illegals is just shortened illegal immigrant, just like temporary nonimigrant workers are called migrants. The negative connotation is yours.

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            7 months ago

            Illegals is just shortened illegal immigrant, just like temporary nonimigrant workers are called migrants.

            They are migrants because they migrate. They aren’t “illegals” because irrespective of the status of their presence according to those that claim dominion of the land they are on they are not themselves illegal.

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                  7 months ago

                  Thats really getting into pedantics, and its just name calling. I swear, yall cared more about the term illegals than the lawsuit

                  • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
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                    7 months ago

                    Thats really getting into pedantics, and its just name calling.

                    I question if that view of yours extends to all slurs.

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              7 months ago

              They are illegal immigrants or illegal for short per the definition you were given but appear unable to comprehend.

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                7 months ago

                But they aren’t illegal_s_ as that renders the phrase a reference to the people themselves and not their actions.

                To refer to people as illegal is dehumanizing.

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                  7 months ago

                  Just because you look down on a group of people doesn’t make the term to describe them dehumanizing.

                  Just because you can’t differenciate between a term for immigration status and the people with that status doesn’t change what the term means.

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                    7 months ago

                    Just because you look down on a group of people doesn’t make the term to describe them dehumanizing.

                    Doesn’t make it not dehumanizing—since it is—and it certainly doesn’t help your arguments it isn’t.

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                    7 months ago

                    I don’t look down on the group. I look down on their actions. I don’t like criminal behavior.