You do know that AR references the singular company Armalite, right?
Also it makes no sense to say in my opinion x is objectively better than y. If it was objectively better then it’s not just your opinion…
And you’ve completely ignored the history of the advanced combat rifle program which showed that advanced “space weapons” like the G11 had little improvement over the m16 and culminated in a 300 million dollar cost to figure out that putting a scope on any rifle was the best way to improve that rifles accuracy leading to development of the acog scope?
The 45~50 round magazine, caseless ammunition and delayed-recoil 3-round burst of the G11 are just objectively better than some piddly M16.
The magazine for a standard issue M16 can only hold 30 rounds max, and US troops don’t even usually load the full 30 rounds as a result of Vietnam-era superstition. That means the G11 has at least 66% more bullet per magazine than the inferior M16.
Furthermore, the fact that the G11’s recoil is delayed on 3-round bursts means it has the pinpoint accuracy needed to efficiently dispatch hostile forces with extreme prejudice. Meanwhile, the M16 is gonna recoil for each one of those shots, throwing off your aim and making the burst-fire mode useless. Using a G11? Show those terrorists who’s boss. Using an M16? You might as well get on your knees and suck their dicks.
Finally, the 4.73x33mm caseless munitions used by the G11 are better in every way. They don’t tumble upon impact with a target, making your kills cleaner and more compliant with internation conventions, resulting in them being more humane than the brutal 5.56x45mm NATO rounds employed by M16s. Additionally, the caseless nature of the rounds makes them more environmentally friendly than traditional munitions as you won’t leave spent brass everywhere when using them. Less trash = more good for the environment. To top things off, while the tendency for the G11’s caseless ammunition to cook-off under heavy usage might seem like a design flaw, it is actually a work of genius engineering as it allows troops to readily turn their rifles into improvised explosives while under heavy fire. This allows them to throw the rifle in the direction of surpressing fire and take advantage of the full 45-50 round magazine without ever leaving defensive cover. I bet your weak-ass M16 can’t do that, can it?
As you can see, the G11 is highly superior to the standard M16 and should have been fielded. However, Big AR got in the way by reunifying East and West Germany, thereby causing Germany’s political climate to change and the G11 to become unnecessary; while also spreading rumors about how the tendency for the G11’s superior caseless ammo to cook off under heavy use was a design flaw and not, in fact, an obviously intentional design feature.
I was actually typing up a serious reply to your other comment until I read about HK being a small niche indie gun developer rofl.
The fucking Vietnam era unfully loaded mags thing… god its been a while since I’ve seen that.
So uh what are your thoughts on the Polish Grot originally being developed as both a standard and bullpup modular design only to have the bullpup version being dropped?
Also, who would win in a firefight, DEVGRU or SAS rofl?
Exactly. The Pancor Jackhammer was a work of art. What other gun can claim to allow the user to readily convert its magazine into a landmine? It’s literally 2 weapons in 1.
Yeah. Tbh I woulda loved to see the Pancor Jackhammer completed, it was such a strange gun. It’s too bad no one’s made a semi-auto civilian version. Considering how many movies and games it’s been featured in, I bet they could make a lot of money off it.
I’m a practical man, with practical problems, that have practical solutions.
For example, some mean ole mother hubber want’s to put a hole through your spine?
Use a gun.
That don’t work?
Use more gun.
Aha, in seriousness, I have no idea how reliable this thing is or isn’t. But, if one action jams… you still have the other one. Thing has two different triggers, so, unless you get two simultaneous jams, you still have a functional weapon.
Only non shit multi barrel rifle I’ve ever handled irl was an old break action 2 barrel, one for 22, one for 410 shells. Old ranch hand / rural keep the vermin away type thing. Must have been made in the 60s.
Barring something like that… I cannot actually think of any real weapon that I’d say was a multi barrel rifle, do you have more examples?
First thing that pops into my head is I think Arma 3, the CSAT have some kind of assault rifle thats got one magazine thats close to 5.56 or 5.45, its some intermediate rifle range that doesnt really exist… and then for some reason also has like 5 rounds of some kind of 12.7/50 cal.
Second thing I can think of is back from BF 42 days, I think DC or DCR had an M4 that also had a masterkey underbarrel shotgun. Those are/were real, but it doesnt count as its a shotgun.
Thirdly… Metal Storm? I don’t think they ever managed to make that into anything resembling a rifle though.
You do know that AR references the singular company Armalite, right?
Also it makes no sense to say in my opinion x is objectively better than y. If it was objectively better then it’s not just your opinion…
And you’ve completely ignored the history of the advanced combat rifle program which showed that advanced “space weapons” like the G11 had little improvement over the m16 and culminated in a 300 million dollar cost to figure out that putting a scope on any rifle was the best way to improve that rifles accuracy leading to development of the acog scope?
Sorry, but I don’t listen to pro-AR propaganda.
The 45~50 round magazine, caseless ammunition and delayed-recoil 3-round burst of the G11 are just objectively better than some piddly M16.
The magazine for a standard issue M16 can only hold 30 rounds max, and US troops don’t even usually load the full 30 rounds as a result of Vietnam-era superstition. That means the G11 has at least 66% more bullet per magazine than the inferior M16.
Furthermore, the fact that the G11’s recoil is delayed on 3-round bursts means it has the pinpoint accuracy needed to efficiently dispatch hostile forces with extreme prejudice. Meanwhile, the M16 is gonna recoil for each one of those shots, throwing off your aim and making the burst-fire mode useless. Using a G11? Show those terrorists who’s boss. Using an M16? You might as well get on your knees and suck their dicks.
Finally, the 4.73x33mm caseless munitions used by the G11 are better in every way. They don’t tumble upon impact with a target, making your kills cleaner and more compliant with internation conventions, resulting in them being more humane than the brutal 5.56x45mm NATO rounds employed by M16s. Additionally, the caseless nature of the rounds makes them more environmentally friendly than traditional munitions as you won’t leave spent brass everywhere when using them. Less trash = more good for the environment. To top things off, while the tendency for the G11’s caseless ammunition to cook-off under heavy usage might seem like a design flaw, it is actually a work of genius engineering as it allows troops to readily turn their rifles into improvised explosives while under heavy fire. This allows them to throw the rifle in the direction of surpressing fire and take advantage of the full 45-50 round magazine without ever leaving defensive cover. I bet your weak-ass M16 can’t do that, can it?
As you can see, the G11 is highly superior to the standard M16 and should have been fielded. However, Big AR got in the way by reunifying East and West Germany, thereby causing Germany’s political climate to change and the G11 to become unnecessary; while also spreading rumors about how the tendency for the G11’s superior caseless ammo to cook off under heavy use was a design flaw and not, in fact, an obviously intentional design feature.
Edit: improved some phrasing.
Masterful.
I was actually typing up a serious reply to your other comment until I read about HK being a small niche indie gun developer rofl.
The fucking Vietnam era unfully loaded mags thing… god its been a while since I’ve seen that.
So uh what are your thoughts on the Polish Grot originally being developed as both a standard and bullpup modular design only to have the bullpup version being dropped?
Also, who would win in a firefight, DEVGRU or SAS rofl?
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. Got it…
Nah nah let him cook. Hes right. Every grunt in the world deserves a Unica and a G11. Hell, they deserve the Pancor Jackhammer.
Exactly. The Pancor Jackhammer was a work of art. What other gun can claim to allow the user to readily convert its magazine into a landmine? It’s literally 2 weapons in 1.
Legit didnt know about the landmine thing. Thats incredible.
Yeah. Tbh I woulda loved to see the Pancor Jackhammer completed, it was such a strange gun. It’s too bad no one’s made a semi-auto civilian version. Considering how many movies and games it’s been featured in, I bet they could make a lot of money off it.
You want two guns in one?
Gilboa Snake.
More gun per gun than any other gun on the market.
/uj on a serious note, does this malfunction twice as often?
I’m a practical man, with practical problems, that have practical solutions.
For example, some mean ole mother hubber want’s to put a hole through your spine?
Use a gun.
That don’t work?
Use more gun.
Aha, in seriousness, I have no idea how reliable this thing is or isn’t. But, if one action jams… you still have the other one. Thing has two different triggers, so, unless you get two simultaneous jams, you still have a functional weapon.
when you want to lay down stereo fire
I wish multi barrel rifles weren’t shit. They’re so mid-90s spacegun.
Only non shit multi barrel rifle I’ve ever handled irl was an old break action 2 barrel, one for 22, one for 410 shells. Old ranch hand / rural keep the vermin away type thing. Must have been made in the 60s.
Barring something like that… I cannot actually think of any real weapon that I’d say was a multi barrel rifle, do you have more examples?
First thing that pops into my head is I think Arma 3, the CSAT have some kind of assault rifle thats got one magazine thats close to 5.56 or 5.45, its some intermediate rifle range that doesnt really exist… and then for some reason also has like 5 rounds of some kind of 12.7/50 cal.
Second thing I can think of is back from BF 42 days, I think DC or DCR had an M4 that also had a masterkey underbarrel shotgun. Those are/were real, but it doesnt count as its a shotgun.
Thirdly… Metal Storm? I don’t think they ever managed to make that into anything resembling a rifle though.