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      You never defined what “gender and sexual ideologies” were. What exactly do you have a problem with. I’m not going to watch an hour and a half of videos, which most likely just say it’s ok if you’re trans, and trans people exist.

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          Good thing that’s not what they teach in kindergarten. Do you even have kids?

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              You keep posting that link as if it means something. I’ve already responded. Half a dozen other people have already responded. Tolerance and acceptance are not bad things to be teaching kids, no matter how icky you think it is.

              Seriously. Do you have kids?

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                You keep posting that link as if it means something.

                Because y’all all have the same comments that it’s not happening, and I keep proving y’all wrong. No it’s funny that you’ve seen the link posted, yet you still say it isn’t happening. I don’t care to continue a conversation with someone willingly ignorant.

                Tolerance and acceptance are not bad things to be teaching kids, no matter how icky you think it is.

                We’ve always taught those, why do we need special sexuality and gender ideology tolerance and acceptance? Why aren’t you pushing for nepalisian acceptance, you’re a bigot, aren’t you?

                Seriously. Do you have kids?

                More than you could imagine

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                  Because y’all all have the same comments that it’s not happening, and I keep proving y’all wrong.

                  What are you proving wrong? That you don’t support tolerance? No one is disputing that

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          So you have a problem with a boy wearing a skirt? What’s the issue with that? I assume you think girls shouldn’t wear pants then?

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            So you have a problem with a boy wearing a skirt?

            No, I have problems with teachers taking kids away from parents at the threat of having CPS called on them, and telling 5year old boys if they wear skirts they’ll be happy.

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              Which teachers have taken kids away? And what’s the context for a teacher telling someone they’ll be happy if they wear skirts?

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              No, I have problems with teachers taking kids away from parents at the threat of having CPS called on them, and telling 5year old boys if they wear skirts they’ll be happy.

              …What? You’re upset that a teacher might tell a child they can wear a skirt if it makes them happy? Or you’re upset that CPS might get involved if you abuse your child? I’m confused, it really just sounds like you want the right to abuse your child if they dress in a skirt, and you don’t want teachers telling your kid it’s fine to do so.

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                …What? You’re upset that a teacher might tell a child they can wear a skirt if it makes them happy?

                Yes, I don’t want teachers having secret meetings with my kids, without my knowledge, telling them to wear skirts. It’s weird, inappropriate and absurdly outside of the teachers realm of usefulness to taxpayers.

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                  secret meetings with my kids

                  telling them to wear skirts

                  You sound a little paranoid, my dude. Being unscrupulous with how things are being framed to you when it involves something you find weird is what makes people assume you are a bigot, not that you have “different views”. A teacher that tells a student “it’s ok to dress how you feel most comfortable” is different from a teacher that tells a student “you ought to dress in girls clothing”. And if a student then says “my mom and dad will punish me if I don’t wear boys clothes”, not only should they, but a teacher is required by law to report that interaction to CPS.

                  We wouldn’t need to teach students about gender if parents weren’t actively shaming or punishing their kids in order to force them to perform their sex in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable. That you think of male genitalia when you see a kid dressed in boys clothes is not a problem with the teacher sexualizing them, it’s a problem with you sexualizing them.

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      I get how those topics can make you feel a little squirrelly, but the overall message is tolerance and compassion. Is it really that terrible to instill those values in kids? When I was in elementary school there were definitely kids who were bullied for being perceived as gay even though none of us really understood what that meant aside from “that’s a boy who likes other boys”. I really wish I could go back and smack some sense into my younger self, but also smack some sense into the adults at the time for letting us act like miniature assholes.

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        is tolerance and compassion.

        Okay, when we spend much much much much more money on schooling our kids and they graduate and the teachers say ‘hey, they didn’t learn math…or science…or how to read, but we taught them to have compassion for our ideologies’ you think parents are gonna be happy?

        Is it really that terrible to instill those values in kids?

        No, but that’s always been done. Instruction on queerness and gender igeology isn’t about compassion, it’s about pushing ideas on kids when we send them to government agents, instead of actually teaching them.

        bullied for being perceived as gay

        Okay, has bullying aimed at anyone been okay in the school system? Have you had a teacher teach you that you can only bully gay people? We’ve always said don’t bully anyone, are gay people not under the ‘anyone’ umbrella?

        . I really wish I could go back and smack some sense into my younger self, but also smack some sense into the adults at the time for letting us act like miniature assholes.

        Okay, so this whole thing is about you feeling bad for bullying gay people. Don’t push gender ideologies onto our kindergartners because you were a dick in school.

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          Okay, when we spend much much much much more money on schooling our kids and they graduate and the teachers say ‘hey, they didn’t learn math…or science…or how to read, but we taught them to have compassion for our ideologies’ you think parents are gonna be happy?

          What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think school boards will replace math, reading and science with gender equality lessons? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

          Is it really that terrible to instill those values in kids?

          No, but that’s always been done.

          If that were the case you obviously got a shitty education, because you don’t seem to have even a basic understanding of tolerance or compassion

          Instruction on queerness and gender igeology isn’t about compassion, it’s about pushing ideas on kids when we send them to government agents, instead of actually teaching them.

          Again, what the hell are you talking about? Kids are being taught normal things ALONGSIDE learning how to not be ignorant goons who say shit like “don’t push gender ideologies on kids”.

          bullied for being perceived as gay

          Okay, has bullying aimed at anyone been okay in the school system? Have you had a teacher teach you that you can only bully gay people? We’ve always said don’t bully anyone, are gay people not under the ‘anyone’ umbrella?

          Oh, you’re one of those “all lives matter” folks? Yes, let’s teach kids not to bully anyone… but let’s also teach them that LGBTQ people exist and there’s nothing wrong with being friends with them. Given the recent rhetoric against marginalized communities, both from religious leaders and conservative politicians, YES I think it’s important to stress the fact that these people exist and are worthy of love is an important lesson for our kids to learn.

          . I really wish I could go back and smack some sense into my younger self, but also smack some sense into the adults at the time for letting us act like miniature assholes.

          Okay, so this whole thing is about you feeling bad for bullying gay people. Don’t push gender ideologies onto our kindergartners because you were a dick in school.

          Yes, I feel bad for being an ignorant kid. Yes, I wish there had been people who could have talked to kids like me about basic concepts like tolerance, acceptance and compassion. But no, I’m not “pushing” anything on anyone. Not because of any kind of misguided guilt or for any other reason. I’m literally just hoping my kids don’t grow into people… well… people like you.

          There’s no “agenda”. Kids aren’t being “indoctrinated” or “groomed”. Kids are just being taught that people are different and that’s not a reason to be a dick.

          Sorry you have trouble with it. Maybe if you had had someone to teach you these basic concepts you wouldn’t find it so icky.

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            What the hell are you even talking about? Do you think school boards will replace math, reading and science with gender equality lessons?

            No. I think they’re replaced with instruction on transitioning, cross dressing, gender questioning and queer ideological pushes. If you want to teach kids to cross dress, you gotta cut into some other instruction, do you disagree?

            If that were the case you obviously got a shitty education, because you don’t seem to have even a basic understanding of tolerance or compassion

            Because I don’t care that people are straight, or gay or cross dress or a different race, I don’t have tolerance? Because I treat every individual, regardless of differences, the same, I don’t have compassion?

            Yes, let’s teach kids not to bully anyone…

            Sweet, now we can teach kids how to read because inner city kids have the reading levels of neanderthals.

            Yes, I feel bad for being an ignorant kid.

            So you’re forcing your think on everyone elses kids because you can’t come to grips that you were an asshole.

            There’s no “agenda”.

            Never said there was.

            Kids aren’t being “indoctrinated” or “groomed”.

            If I took your kid into a room, at threat of calling CPS on you, and taught them that they should cross dress, is that indoctrinating or grooming?

            Sorry you have trouble with it. Maybe if you had had someone to teach you these basic concepts you wouldn’t find it so icky

            I don’t find it ‘icky’, believe it or not, I don’t like all the same things you do. I’ve been to some drag brunches and queer bars and what not, not my thing, most of it I think is weird. But do I have a bias against it or find it ‘icky’? Nah. That’s the problem with you and all your far left friends here, if someone doesn’t agree 100% with the shit y’all do, you think we’re bigots and hate the people that do it. I don’t, it’s just not my vibe. I also don’t think catholic church is my vibe, but I’m fine with the folk.