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  • sovietknuckles [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    1 year ago

    My guesstimation is that [Hexbear] is a disinformation machine based on useful idiots.

    We need the current time in Moscow re-added to the sidebar, this is important

  • LaBellaLotta [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Lol at all these fucking dorks acting like this is some pre-emptive anti brigading measure. These fucking losers don’t know the meaning of being brigaded. We do, not because we do it, but because the brigading has been incessant since this place started.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t being federated make brigading MORE difficult, not less? If nothing else it seems like it would have 0 effect either way.

    Honestly fuck these clowns anyway. I was and still am open to federation because I love seeing this place grow but by the same token we knew shit like this would happen. Although I’m surprised by how quickly. Hopefully the reasoning is technical and not ideological. But seeing the kind of brain genius politics understanders in that thread makes me feel like we aren’t missing out. The curious and open minded will make their way here or to the other leftists instances on their own.

    I lurked on Reddit for literally like a decade. Never once made an account. Just seemed like a waste of time. I remember realizing early on without having the vocabulary for it that; social media, while an amazing tool for connecting people in theory, under capitalism, it ultimately only ever serves to deepen our alienation from each other by creating a means to commodify our social interactions. Again, didn’t understand it in those terms, but I just had this feeling in my gut that I have since been able to put words to thanks to Marxism. Reddit was no exception to that feeling and really worse in a lot of ways because of its utility as an aggregator. It has had this incredibly hegemonic effect on the culture of the internet that has made it very hard to avoid, even for someone like myself who avoids social media as a rule.

    And I’m glad I made that rule for myself, because unsurprisingly social media has become almost unavoidable as the rate of profit continues to decline. It represents too much theoretical profit to not try and steer everyone in like a cattle chute. And what I have observed from my passing and vicarious observation of social media as it has developed is that it has only become shittier and more alienating. Reddit being a fantastic example of this. I’m glad I didn’t invest a significant amount of my time and energy effort posting (seems to be my only mode of posting) into the void without even the reward of real human relationships. Real names and faces and human warmth.

    The internet is a deeply lonely and alienating place and it has only gotten worse during the time I have been alive to observe it.

    I was intrigued when I observed the hushed tones the CTH sub was discussed in and to my surprise I found nothing truly objectionable. it Is objectively cool and good to kill slave owners. Mainly it seemed like people who were painfully aware that things didn’t have to be this way and that it was better to at least have a laugh about how fucked things are. It felt like people who desperately wanted to be hopeful but knew how far this world is from a path worth being hopeful about. But knowing all the while that path was and still may be possible. It all just felt very human. When R/CTH was banned I had a feeling my days of lurking on Reddit would soon come to an end.

    Then through a link in a comment section I found this place, and after lurking a little I did something very out of character for me, made an account and joined the discussion.

    This has to be one of the last oasis of human warmth and goodness on the internet. Not a place full of people trying to get famous and start a media career. Not boomers driving each other insane with literal fake news. A place for people to spend their precious unalienated time and labor discussing and posting about stuff they love. And one of the big things being how to make human society a better and more equitable place while we’re still alive. There’s something beautiful about that. The early internet was full of stuff like that, less ideological, but still hopeful. Now those days are all but gone. And I must say what keeps me here over lemmy grad is all the other stuff, the daily music posting and just sharing of interests. Charming characters like @Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net Even as I become more ideologically rigid, it is that human silliness that keeps me grounded. This place has a lot of that and it’s why I’m so grateful for the users here and the hard work the mods and admins put it cultivating and maintain this culture. As a cis person I love the culture of enforced tolerance. I’ve gained so much from being exposed to the nuances and challenges of the trans experience thanks to the users here.

    I guess all I’m trying to say is that almost every other social media platform I have ever used ultimately leaves me feeling empty, alienated, and one little bit closer to madness. This place is the complete opposite and coming here everyday helps me remember that I’m not alone in thinking that things don’t have to be like this. And that we should fight for a better and more equitable society while we’re still alive. And that I am not alone in that fight, indeed the fight cannot be fought unless we work together.

    I’m rambling here but I just get so misty eyed when I get exposed to another instance because it feels so much more alienating to me. And this thread really set me off because of all the smug assholes acting like they can read one post and understand our elaborate brigading and disinformation operation/cult. (Sic of course)

    I’m just very grateful for this place and when I see all of these shit libs utterly misinterpreting that post about being well behaved in other instances it just reminds me of how insane some of the other corners of the internet can make you feel and specifically myself during the 2015/2016 election cycle. These people have really just completely lost all connection to reality and so who fucking needs them. If they find a way back on their own, good, we can’t make anyone change their mind. A big o7 to @Awoo@hexbear.net for trying their damndest though.

    • reverendz [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Like you, I discovered CTH out of curiosity. It was so ridiculous and funny. Mostly, I was shocked at the attitude people had towards it.

      I have since seen this pattern repeat. Leftist spaces are banned quickly. Meanwhile, libs hem and haw about free speech when it comes to openly fascist spaces and their views.

      I already considered myself a socialist when Bernie ran in '16, but the viciousness with which the dems attacked him stayed with me. Meanwhile, they say things like “we need a strong republican party”.

      The more I saw these things, the further left I got. Nothing frightens centrists more than the left. Not fascists, not dictators, nothing.

      Am glad to have found this place! I missed the humor and irreverence at CTH. So many socialist/communist places are serious. It’s nice to take the piss every once in a while.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I have since seen this pattern repeat. Leftist spaces are banned quickly. Meanwhile, libs hem and haw about free speech when it comes to openly fascist spaces and their views.

        Parenti even has a line about this in one of the Yellow videos. Something like “The day after the revolution liberals start asking if the fascists can have free speech and political parties and newspapers”

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I’m honestly for promoting and helping any instance outgrow lemmyworld now if they will take a stance against this dorkness. Ruud’s position when I first contacted him seemed really good but he has clearly been pressured into this shit by Antik, who is clearly an ideologue libshit.

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        1 year ago

        On a more serious note, this cements lemmy.world inevitable slide towards fascism. There’s very little reason why anyone would use a Lemmy instance instead of just sticking with Reddit or migrating away from Reddit clones altogether. Much like the Windows vs Linux debate, Reddit is technologically inferior but has the huge advantage of being what everyone uses.

        The only reason to stick it out on a Lemmy instance instead of just returning to Reddit is because:

        1. They are ideologically socialist.

        2. They are unhinged fascists. (Cryptofash are more than welcome on Reddit)

        3. They are trans or a member of some other marginalized community who want a refuge away from dipshit bigots.

        4. They are pedos.

        5. They want to resurrect /r/shoplifting and not be constrained by Reddit’s ToS.

        6. They want to openly discuss the purchase of drugs.

        7. They want to openly discuss piracy.

        8. They want to discuss miscellaneous illegal shit.

        These are the people who legitimately have no place on Reddit and need to find somewhere else if they want to use a Reddit clone. 1 and 2 are self-explanatory. 3 and 5 are fellow travelers with 1. 4 are fellow travelers with 2. 5, 6, and 7 can be lumped into 8. So the simplified version becomes:

        1. They are socialist or a fellow traveler (marginalized communities, shoplifting)

        2. They are fascist or a fellow traveler (pedos)

        3. They want to openly discuss doing illegal shit (drugs, piracy, shoplifting, adventurism) that goes against the ToS.

        Attracting these 3 types of people are the primary means for a Lemmy instance to grow. However, most large Lemmy instances are filled with (ex)-Redditors with snitch energy. In other words, loser squares who are nowhere cool enough to attract 3. And it goes without saying that you can’t attract both 1 and 2 no matter how much enlightened centrists want to try.

        In the end, your average Lemmy instance has to either:

        1. Ideologically commit to either socialism or fascism in order to attract more people who don’t or can’t use Reddit.

        2. Stagnate and wither to nothing.

        By preemptively defederating from the largest socialist instance while at the same time digging their feet to reluctantly defederate from a fascist instance, lemmy.world has chosen to commit to fascism in order to grow its numbers. Beehaw has chosen to cling to their liberalism and stagnate. I also wonder whether lemmy.world orientating itself towards fascism has to do with beehaw being ideologically committed towards liberalism. After all, instances compete with each other for members. Two liberal instances compete for the same pool of users, but if one of those liberal instances is far more lax about fascism, then they’re no longer competing from the same pool.

              • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                1 year ago

                We openly discuss doing illegal shit all the time. It’s just not a major focus. Admittedly I have not read the Hexbear TOS and did not know we had a TOS until last week.

              • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                1 year ago

                Oh, I got confused lol. We are already a lot more open to passing around piracy websites than a generic subreddit. Calls for adventurism will just get you called a fed. As for having our version of /r/shoplifting, I’ve seen threads about shoplifting before. It seems like the admins here condone talk of illegal shit outside of adventurism but don’t want it to be the focus of the website. I mean, I think it would be pretty cool if we had a /c/shoplifting that attracts people.