The first panel is exactly why Japan has been super isolationist. Outside of tourist areas I’ve heard foreigners are never fully welcomed no matter how long they stay
Not to suggest that this isn’t xenophobia, nor that the subject can be summed up this succinctly, but there is something to be said for a culture not wanting to be swept away or squashed by others. As with pretty much everything else, there’s middle ground.
Of course not. “Middle ground” necessitates effort on both sides. I just think it’s worth bringing up when that word starts getting tossed around. It’s easy to create hard lines when it gets used.
That’s what that is. You summed it up succinctly. You just think white people’s culture doesn’t count as a culture and you like to use “phobia” as a means to insult people rather than describe effects. Obviously white people are the premier example for why xenophobia should exist, but at that point we’re blaming me who has nothing to do with anything and has only ever worked hard and focused on distilling the truth of things.
That’s mostly overstated and you usually hear it from people who don’t speak Japanese who lived somewhere for a couple years teaching English after graduating college.
Can’t blame them. The only place where I can blame people for not accepting other races is America where we done fucked all that up. The exception is if you’re a native. Then you’ve got more reason than the rest of the planet and are pretty much the example they should all point at.
A lot of Aboriginal Australians would object to the idea that the land here is “their space”. Aboriginal ideas of land ownership are very different to white ones. For most aboriginal tribes, the relationship with land isn’t a property relationship like white people would understand it. It’s a spiritual connection of interdependence. You might say that the people don’t own the land, the land owns the people.
Nobody made the land they live on. Well, except for the Dutch. So how can you say land that has existed for millions of years longer than you is yours? Did you steal it? The white people in Australia sure did. They justified their colonisation with the idea that since aboriginals didn’t have a white idea of land ownership, the land belonged to nobody and was free for the taking. But the reason many aboriginals wouldn’t describe their relationship as ownership is because they don’t believe land can be owned. The concept is nonsense. And those white people sure didn’t cultivate a spiritual connection with the land the way things are supposed to be done around here.
Well the fact of the matter is that force of arms dictates “ownership”. Owning something means you control it.
I didn’t mention ownership though. You’re coming at me with a bit of a chip on your shoulder. “Maintaining your space” means taking care of your boundaries, keeping distance from others when appropriate, and generally keeping safe however you see fit. Mowing your lawn and shaving your face are the same this way.
Lawns were invented by rich white people as status symbols, because it’s ostentatious to own land that serves no useful purpose. I criticised the white concept of land ownership, and you responded that you didn’t mean white land ownership, you meant white land waste. Honestly, I don’t see the difference.
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The first panel is exactly why Japan has been super isolationist. Outside of tourist areas I’ve heard foreigners are never fully welcomed no matter how long they stay
Japan has been isolationist since way before weebs existed…
Yeah that’s what I meant, I suppose I could’ve made it more clear
That’s called xenophobia.
It’s really in this year
Not to suggest that this isn’t xenophobia, nor that the subject can be summed up this succinctly, but there is something to be said for a culture not wanting to be swept away or squashed by others. As with pretty much everything else, there’s middle ground.
No “but,” it’s plain xenophobia, no debate about it.
Miss that part, did you? Also, nothing is “plain” anything. Expand your view one bit and see the world for the complex place it is.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Obi-wan declaring himself a Sith was the weirdest part of the prequels.
I think there’s no middle ground when the answer is isolation instead of trying to integrate foreigners into the local culture.
Of course not. “Middle ground” necessitates effort on both sides. I just think it’s worth bringing up when that word starts getting tossed around. It’s easy to create hard lines when it gets used.
That’s what that is. You summed it up succinctly. You just think white people’s culture doesn’t count as a culture and you like to use “phobia” as a means to insult people rather than describe effects. Obviously white people are the premier example for why xenophobia should exist, but at that point we’re blaming me who has nothing to do with anything and has only ever worked hard and focused on distilling the truth of things.
TBH the same could be said for some areas of Boston…
That’s mostly overstated and you usually hear it from people who don’t speak Japanese who lived somewhere for a couple years teaching English after graduating college.
Can’t blame them. The only place where I can blame people for not accepting other races is America where we done fucked all that up. The exception is if you’re a native. Then you’ve got more reason than the rest of the planet and are pretty much the example they should all point at.
Are you an Australia denier?
Their story match?
Pretty much.
Well, everyone’s gotta maintain their space.
A lot of Aboriginal Australians would object to the idea that the land here is “their space”. Aboriginal ideas of land ownership are very different to white ones. For most aboriginal tribes, the relationship with land isn’t a property relationship like white people would understand it. It’s a spiritual connection of interdependence. You might say that the people don’t own the land, the land owns the people.
Nobody made the land they live on. Well, except for the Dutch. So how can you say land that has existed for millions of years longer than you is yours? Did you steal it? The white people in Australia sure did. They justified their colonisation with the idea that since aboriginals didn’t have a white idea of land ownership, the land belonged to nobody and was free for the taking. But the reason many aboriginals wouldn’t describe their relationship as ownership is because they don’t believe land can be owned. The concept is nonsense. And those white people sure didn’t cultivate a spiritual connection with the land the way things are supposed to be done around here.
Well the fact of the matter is that force of arms dictates “ownership”. Owning something means you control it.
I didn’t mention ownership though. You’re coming at me with a bit of a chip on your shoulder. “Maintaining your space” means taking care of your boundaries, keeping distance from others when appropriate, and generally keeping safe however you see fit. Mowing your lawn and shaving your face are the same this way.
I love the Dutch. They’re real life team magma!
Lawns were invented by rich white people as status symbols, because it’s ostentatious to own land that serves no useful purpose. I criticised the white concept of land ownership, and you responded that you didn’t mean white land ownership, you meant white land waste. Honestly, I don’t see the difference.