In my experience Americans find it cool when they hear another language, Anglo-Canadians though, they don’t realize how racist they are towards French-Canadians and hate their language with a passion.
They do that by bending backwards and talking English whenever there’s an Anglophone present no matter if they’re the only one in a group of ten that doesn’t speak French fluently 👍
They do that by having the biggest college and university in Quebec be English ones (the latter being the third richest in Canada) 👍
They do that by being more bilingual 👍
They do that by never having prevented them from learning their language in school contrary to what happened to French Canadians outside Quebec 👍
Fucking French Canadians and their hate for the english language! Truly they’re bigots all of them!
They do that by bending backwards and talking English whenever there’s an Anglophone present no matter if they’re the only one in a group of ten that doesn’t speak French fluently
Sure, if you’re lucky enough to be on the south side of Montreal and literally nowhere else.
They do that by having the biggest college and university in Quebec be English ones (the latter being the third richest in Canada)
They’re so generous that they just doubled tuition for out-of-province students, a clear attack on their English-speaking institutions, and one so severe that many programs at these schools will have to cut up to 25% of their course offerings to make up the budget shortfalls. Clearly they’re throwing their full support behind their internationally-acclaimed English institutions.
They do that by being more bilingual
Lol, again, sure, if you happen to live in the southern half of Montreal, maybe. And that’s not counting the huge number of people who clearly speak English but refuse to do so for nationalistic reasons. I know literally zero French-speaking Anglo-Canadians who show similar behavior.
They do that by never having prevented them from learning their language in school contrary to what happened to French Canadians outside Quebec
The only places where you’ll have a hard time getting service in English is in rural regions very far from major city centers. Heck, first Nations in Abitibi often speak English and they get service in that language.
They’re so generous that they just [doubled tuition for out-of-province students
Which is still lower than the price it costs for out of province students to go to school in other provinces, you forgot to mention that part
I know literally zero French-speaking Anglo-Canadians who show similar behavior.
Go spend some time in the west island or north of Gatineau and say that again with a straight face
It is literally illegal for me to send my two kids to an English-speaking school *right now
One of either parents needs to have went to school in English and it can also be accepted under other conditions, how about checking the government’s website instead of looking at an anti-French journal?
The only places where you’ll have a hard time getting service in English is in rural regions very far from major city centers.
This just shows that you either don’t live here or are a French-speaker and therefore don’t see it (which is ironic given your initial comment). In Quebec City I’ve been refused service in French for even asking about service in English.
Which is still lower than the price it costs for out of province students to go to school in other provinces
Where are you getting this info? Most of the sources I can find show that most Quebec students pay rates comparable to in-province students across Anglophone Canada. Quebec seems to be the only one actively legislating discriminatory policies here.
One of either parents needs to have went to school in English
We both went to school in English, but it’s still illegal for us because we’re immigrants. Trust me, we’ve checked, and the fact that you automatically jumped to assuming that I’d even know where to find an “anti-French journal” speaks volumes about your perspective on this conversation.
Edit: I just realized you probably meant “newspaper” here. I get all of my info about stuff like this from the government website, and from calling government services to make sure I fully understand my (lack of) rights.
Fear mongering by English media and not the reality? Who would have thought? 😱
I’m not sure how something I have to deal with on a weekly basis is fear mongering. The problem with your source there is that to be seen at any of those facilities I first have to go through RAMQ, and literally every time I call RAMQ I have to declare, under penalty of perjury, that I’m legally entitled to use English in order to use it, and again, I’m not legally entitled to use it because I’m an immigrant, so I have to stumble through MY FUCKING HEALTHCARE in a language I don’t speak fluently, when they literally have service available in the language but just refuse it to me for prejudicial reasons.
By this point it’s clear that you have no interest in opening your eyes to the realities that many English speakers face in Quebec, possibly for the nationalistic reasons that led to these (increasingly severe) discriminatory policies in the first place, so I see little reason to continue this conversation.
For everyone else following this convo, just keep in mind that linguistic discrimination can happen to English speakers just like it can to other languages (though in aggregate English obviously still holds a place of privilege relative to most other languages). And if you’re reading this and you’re lucky enough to have voting rights in Quebec, please vote for candidates that support non-discriminatory language policies.
Where are you getting this info? Most of the sources I can find show that most Quebec students pay rates comparable to in-province students across Anglophone Canada. Quebec seems to be the only one actively legislating discriminatory policies here.
Cegep and university in Quebec is cheaper than the equivalents in other provinces.
Just go on different university websites and create a fake application as an out of province student and compare the rates.
Quebec’s part of the university fees were so low that the rates were cheaper than in other provinces for out of province students. People flipped out because they were comparing the cost to studying in their own province vs coming to Quebec without looking at what it costs if the situation is reversed.
There’s very few exceptions where parents that went to school in English wouldn’t be able to send their kids to an English school, even for immigrants
How long have you been living in Quebec? The way you talk you’ve been all over the place so I’m going to bet quite a while, right? So if you were in contact with the RAMQ before the new law you can have service in English without fear of a law that will never be applied. If you have been here more than six months but not long enough to be exempted you just go to through the English service and you tell them “Je ne parle pas très bien le français, désolé, je suis en train d’apprendre.” and that will be it, if you’ve been here less than six months the law doesn’t apply.
Not so hard right?
Now I want you to think about the opposite situation, if you were a French only speaker and you went to live in British-Colombia, what do you think French provincial services would look like? You know, there’s a reason why they don’t need to implement similar laws over there, it’s because the services don’t exist in the first place so you get service in English or you don’t get service at all. Just remember, the conversation was about French Canadians vs Anglo Canadians, French Canadians exist outside Quebec and they’re treated like fucking shit compared to Anglo Canadians living in Quebec and could only dream to have access to as much services.
I’ve been here two years, so my family is right in the middle of the “get fucked” zone in basically every possible way for the foreseeable future. (This also includes being repeatedly denied permanent residency that we would automatically be granted if we lived 50km west of where we do, i.e. in Ontario. According to the HR director at my company, after the passage of the law Immigration has started an unofficial policy of putting residency applications that otherwise have enough points to qualify but don’t speak French directly into the “reject” pile.)
I appreciate you taking time to provide the links and advice though.
I’m definitely not saying that French-Canadians have it better in the rest of Canada and that has never been my argument – I completely agree with your original comment that Anglo-Canadians are unintentionally racist toward French-Canadians, but my original comment is also 100% true, that French-Canadians are instead intentionally racist toward English speakers.
Quebec isn’t all French Canadians, there are some living in the whole country and you’re completely ignoring what’s going on in the rest of the country if you think that Anglo Canadians aren’t intentionally racist towards French Canadians and Anglo Canadians are treated better in Quebec than French Canadians are treated outside Quebec so I don’t know how you can say we’re intentionally racist while pretending that Anglos aren’t except for trying to defend those you feel closest to.
Fully agree with this, homie. Wife and I lived in Montreal area as temporary foreign workers for like 4 years. Tried so hard to fit in and be polite, but would essentially get spit at or ignored everytime my accent was a tiny bit off. Didn’t say it perfectly the Quebecois way? Fuck you. Ask something in English? Hope you’re in a tourist area, otherwise fuck you. Want your medical records/labs in a different language? Fuck you. Ask for English menus? Fuck you and now your waitress hates you.
Also watched a friend from France repeatedly get told he’s speaking French wrong. Also they have like an actual department of language policing.
Quebec is poopy buttsauce. 0/10. Happy to be gone. Celine Dion is overrated. Sorry not sorry.
From my experience as someone who lives in Alberta and who considers himself English Canadian, no one here actively hates french language or culture. We simply don’t have enough of a need for french or enough of a cultural presence to really embrace it, and anyone who wants to has to actively go out of their way to do so. Maybe it’s different in Ontario, but it isn’t racism or hate. We simply don’t use it
Albertans don’t hate on French Canadians, they hate on Quebec specifically.
Hell, my friend went to work in the oil fields and had his car (with Quebec plate) vandalized at work in the first week he was there because he didn’t have the time to register it in Alberta and was then told by other people it happened to that it’s just what happens to all Quebecois over there…
In my experience Americans find it cool when they hear another language, Anglo-Canadians though, they don’t realize how racist they are towards French-Canadians and hate their language with a passion.
French-Canadians, on the other hand, fully realize how racist they are towards Anglo-Canadians and hate their language with a passion.
They do that by bending backwards and talking English whenever there’s an Anglophone present no matter if they’re the only one in a group of ten that doesn’t speak French fluently 👍
They do that by having the biggest college and university in Quebec be English ones (the latter being the third richest in Canada) 👍
They do that by being more bilingual 👍
They do that by never having prevented them from learning their language in school contrary to what happened to French Canadians outside Quebec 👍
Fucking French Canadians and their hate for the english language! Truly they’re bigots all of them!
Sure, if you’re lucky enough to be on the south side of Montreal and literally nowhere else.
They’re so generous that they just doubled tuition for out-of-province students, a clear attack on their English-speaking institutions, and one so severe that many programs at these schools will have to cut up to 25% of their course offerings to make up the budget shortfalls. Clearly they’re throwing their full support behind their internationally-acclaimed English institutions.
Lol, again, sure, if you happen to live in the southern half of Montreal, maybe. And that’s not counting the huge number of people who clearly speak English but refuse to do so for nationalistic reasons. I know literally zero French-speaking Anglo-Canadians who show similar behavior.
It is literally illegal for me to send my two kids to an English-speaking school right now, so you can go peddle that crock of shit to someone who doesn’t have to deal with Quebec’s language bullshit on a daily basis. And that’s not even to mention Quebec’s abysmal record, both historically and recently on first nations language policies.
(By the way, it’s also illegal for me to try to seek healthcare in English in Quebec now too. Just another fun fyi for ya.)
This, but (mostly) unironically.
Bull fucking shit, https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/as-sa/98-200-x/2016009/98-200-x2016009-eng.cfm
The only places where you’ll have a hard time getting service in English is in rural regions very far from major city centers. Heck, first Nations in Abitibi often speak English and they get service in that language.
Which is still lower than the price it costs for out of province students to go to school in other provinces, you forgot to mention that part
Go spend some time in the west island or north of Gatineau and say that again with a straight face
One of either parents needs to have went to school in English and it can also be accepted under other conditions, how about checking the government’s website instead of looking at an anti-French journal?
https://www.education.gouv.qc.ca/en/contenus-communs/parents-and-guardians/instruction-in-english/eligibility
Fear mongering by English media and not the reality? Who would have thought? 😱
https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-system-and-services/rights-recourses-and-complaints/services-english-speaking-population
This just shows that you either don’t live here or are a French-speaker and therefore don’t see it (which is ironic given your initial comment). In Quebec City I’ve been refused service in French for even asking about service in English.
Where are you getting this info? Most of the sources I can find show that most Quebec students pay rates comparable to in-province students across Anglophone Canada. Quebec seems to be the only one actively legislating discriminatory policies here.
We both went to school in English, but it’s still illegal for us because we’re immigrants. Trust me, we’ve checked, and the fact that you automatically jumped to assuming that I’d even know where to find an “anti-French journal” speaks volumes about your perspective on this conversation.
Edit: I just realized you probably meant “newspaper” here. I get all of my info about stuff like this from the government website, and from calling government services to make sure I fully understand my (lack of) rights.
I’m not sure how something I have to deal with on a weekly basis is fear mongering. The problem with your source there is that to be seen at any of those facilities I first have to go through RAMQ, and literally every time I call RAMQ I have to declare, under penalty of perjury, that I’m legally entitled to use English in order to use it, and again, I’m not legally entitled to use it because I’m an immigrant, so I have to stumble through MY FUCKING HEALTHCARE in a language I don’t speak fluently, when they literally have service available in the language but just refuse it to me for prejudicial reasons.
By this point it’s clear that you have no interest in opening your eyes to the realities that many English speakers face in Quebec, possibly for the nationalistic reasons that led to these (increasingly severe) discriminatory policies in the first place, so I see little reason to continue this conversation.
For everyone else following this convo, just keep in mind that linguistic discrimination can happen to English speakers just like it can to other languages (though in aggregate English obviously still holds a place of privilege relative to most other languages). And if you’re reading this and you’re lucky enough to have voting rights in Quebec, please vote for candidates that support non-discriminatory language policies.
Cegep and university in Quebec is cheaper than the equivalents in other provinces.
Just go on different university websites and create a fake application as an out of province student and compare the rates.
Quebec’s part of the university fees were so low that the rates were cheaper than in other provinces for out of province students. People flipped out because they were comparing the cost to studying in their own province vs coming to Quebec without looking at what it costs if the situation is reversed.
There’s very few exceptions where parents that went to school in English wouldn’t be able to send their kids to an English school, even for immigrants
https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/access-to-english-schools-in-quebec/
How long have you been living in Quebec? The way you talk you’ve been all over the place so I’m going to bet quite a while, right? So if you were in contact with the RAMQ before the new law you can have service in English without fear of a law that will never be applied. If you have been here more than six months but not long enough to be exempted you just go to through the English service and you tell them “Je ne parle pas très bien le français, désolé, je suis en train d’apprendre.” and that will be it, if you’ve been here less than six months the law doesn’t apply.
Not so hard right?
Now I want you to think about the opposite situation, if you were a French only speaker and you went to live in British-Colombia, what do you think French provincial services would look like? You know, there’s a reason why they don’t need to implement similar laws over there, it’s because the services don’t exist in the first place so you get service in English or you don’t get service at all. Just remember, the conversation was about French Canadians vs Anglo Canadians, French Canadians exist outside Quebec and they’re treated like fucking shit compared to Anglo Canadians living in Quebec and could only dream to have access to as much services.
I’ve been here two years, so my family is right in the middle of the “get fucked” zone in basically every possible way for the foreseeable future. (This also includes being repeatedly denied permanent residency that we would automatically be granted if we lived 50km west of where we do, i.e. in Ontario. According to the HR director at my company, after the passage of the law Immigration has started an unofficial policy of putting residency applications that otherwise have enough points to qualify but don’t speak French directly into the “reject” pile.)
I appreciate you taking time to provide the links and advice though.
I’m definitely not saying that French-Canadians have it better in the rest of Canada and that has never been my argument – I completely agree with your original comment that Anglo-Canadians are unintentionally racist toward French-Canadians, but my original comment is also 100% true, that French-Canadians are instead intentionally racist toward English speakers.
Quebec isn’t all French Canadians, there are some living in the whole country and you’re completely ignoring what’s going on in the rest of the country if you think that Anglo Canadians aren’t intentionally racist towards French Canadians and Anglo Canadians are treated better in Quebec than French Canadians are treated outside Quebec so I don’t know how you can say we’re intentionally racist while pretending that Anglos aren’t except for trying to defend those you feel closest to.
and not just language
Fully agree with this, homie. Wife and I lived in Montreal area as temporary foreign workers for like 4 years. Tried so hard to fit in and be polite, but would essentially get spit at or ignored everytime my accent was a tiny bit off. Didn’t say it perfectly the Quebecois way? Fuck you. Ask something in English? Hope you’re in a tourist area, otherwise fuck you. Want your medical records/labs in a different language? Fuck you. Ask for English menus? Fuck you and now your waitress hates you.
Also watched a friend from France repeatedly get told he’s speaking French wrong. Also they have like an actual department of language policing.
Quebec is poopy buttsauce. 0/10. Happy to be gone. Celine Dion is overrated. Sorry not sorry.
From my experience as someone who lives in Alberta and who considers himself English Canadian, no one here actively hates french language or culture. We simply don’t have enough of a need for french or enough of a cultural presence to really embrace it, and anyone who wants to has to actively go out of their way to do so. Maybe it’s different in Ontario, but it isn’t racism or hate. We simply don’t use it
Albertans don’t hate on French Canadians, they hate on Quebec specifically.
Hell, my friend went to work in the oil fields and had his car (with Quebec plate) vandalized at work in the first week he was there because he didn’t have the time to register it in Alberta and was then told by other people it happened to that it’s just what happens to all Quebecois over there…