some projects/ideas i found in the last couple of years, that try to solve our current problem of the internet being a centralized structure that is controllable by big corporations or governments and not so easily usable with mesh technology or when not being connected for long amounts of time
https://scuttlebutt.nz/docs/introduction/
https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/
https://www.inverse.com/science/39507-mesh-networks-net-neutrality-fcc
https://redecentralize.github.io/alternative-internet/
https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns
Lightning is a terrible protocol. The Lightning devs themselves state that it’s basically unusable and you shouldn’t even try sending transactions valued more than a few hundred dollars. If you’re bored, check out the history of Lightning; it’s almost like a satire of software development project.
You’re also being a little disingenuous about the nature of Nostr and it’s relatioship to crypto.
The “market cap” polemic is a piece of propaganda. If you tried selling all that bitcoin, the price would tank and you would see exponential declines in the “market cap”.
@Alphane_Moon @makeasnek
> you shouldn’t even try sending transactions valued more than a few hundred dollars
this is true about all of the alternatives too, Lightning is just the only one honest about it. And as someone who’s been using lightning to pay my phone bills, I can say it works ok.
You don’t see the problem with a payment system that is fundamentally unreliable?
Why would you pay your phone bills with lightning? I don’t know which country you live in, but where I lived there are so many easier methods to pay your phone bills.
@Alphane_Moon You are the one saying it’s unreliable but also you are not using it. Here is someone using it and saying it is reliable ok. Go figure.
Why would I use a payment system that developers themselves call unreliable? Are you serious?
I am not even talking about overall usability (i.e. recipient support) and UX/UI…
FUD. I use lightning on a daily basis, it’s getting continual development, and millions are still being poured into development efforts. Some devs stopped working on it and now more new devs are involved, which is common with long-lived OSS projects. You can use it to send money to anybody on planet earth with a cellphone and a halfway reliable internet connection. In under a second. For a penny in fees. Try that with a bank wire. It’s a non-centrally controlled network, like OPs post is about. It does what it does very well, and it has been live and growing for years. Over a few hundred USD, you’re probably better off with a main-chain tx anyways as fees are flat instead of % based.
Yes that’s how market caps work. It doesn’t change that it’s a massive market cap.
Millions for development? Do you have any sources? I’d like to read about it. Thanks
Watching videos from the most recent Bitcoin conference is a good way to get updated on recent development changes to the protocol, lightning included. Bitcoin Magazine if you prefer reading to watching. Github if you prefer reading code to words.
I don’t have a specific source to cite here, just am generally aware of what’s going on in the bitcoin space. Lightning labs is the main company building the protocol, they’ve raised 86 million in funding, though not this year. There’s dozens of lightning wallets, some of which are supported/published by companies like ACINQ whose investment capital measures in the tens of millions. Tons of stuff is being built on it. And more payment providers are integrating lightning: Strike and Cash App are the two major ones. Coinbase recently announced they will be adding support for it, Kraken and most other exchanges already support it. There’s a lot of FUD about lightning, there are some valid critiques to be made for it as a “universal scaling strategy”, but generally speaking, it works well and does what it’s supposed to and has plenty of room to scale. There are proposals (channel factories etc) which will massively help with scaling as well.
Likely there will be more than one L2 in the future to optimize for different use cases. But for large orgs who frequently need to move liquidity around, solutions like lightning are excellent. They can settle their accounts with other orgs and their customers instantly. Think banks, online retailers, online marketplaces, etc. This leaves less money “in flight” and at risk. And it can also be used for micro-transactions for everyday people. A bunch of funding just got allocated to Ark as well, which is another L2 solution similar to but different from lightning. Fedimint is another project/proposal to look at if you are researching all this.